iwillgonow: And they don't care.
iwillgonow: k
psycho314t: if God saw His bible being totally misconstrued by the majority of the population of the world, dont you think He'd try to do something to fix it?
iwillgonow: One moment.
psycho314t: k
iwillgonow: Math:24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
iwillgonow: Mark:13:31: Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
iwillgonow: Luke:21:33: Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
iwillgonow: The true word shall not pass away, it has remained.
psycho314t: but how do we know what's true? if the most popular translation is error-prone, and the majority of ppl dont have access or ability to read the original hebrew...
iwillgonow: We must test them.
iwillgonow: As we said earlier, through study and research.
iwillgonow: Concordances, history...
iwillgonow: Prove all things to be either true or false.
psycho314t: all of those things are really easy in this day & age.. w/ all kinds of references at our fingertips.. but what about ppl of the past 2000 years? if they took everything at face value without any kind of questioning or researching or anything, how do u think that affected them?
iwillgonow: Even those at the time of Jesus were written in the Bible as "taking all things to the scriptures, proving whether what was said was true."
psycho314t: really? never seen that..
iwillgonow: Today we have different translations, back then they really didn't have but around 3, and the true one was clear from study, just as it is today.
iwillgonow: 3 of the Hebrew, that is.
psycho314t: ok.. makes sense, i think...
iwillgonow: I'll find the verse, then.
iwillgonow: "I think" is not good enough.
psycho314t: heh.. : ) ok then
iwillgonow: Acts:17:11: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
iwillgonow: Study.
iwillgonow: So what is commanded that we test everything by?
psycho314t: ok.. but it still... ack, gotta find the words.. ok.. if people are to study and determine the validity of everything on their own... why is it that everyone is still teaching at least one major element of the bible completely contradictory to the bible itself?
iwillgonow: Because most don't study.
iwillgonow: You know that.
iwillgonow: So do they know what's right?
psycho314t: i dont know if my point is making sense.. ok, yes, exactly. which goes back to my question.. maybe i'll elaborate on that question... no, they dont
iwillgonow: Who's fault is it that they don't study out their own salvation instead of letting some preacher just indoctrinate them with whatever he chooses, and mindlessly accept/agree/obey?
psycho314t: psycho314t: if God saw His bible being totally misconstrued by the majority of the population of the world, dont you think He'd try to do something to fix it? .... also, i guess, how do u think that affects all those that are just students, and they dont think they have any reason to disbelieve..... mindless... ok, u just pointed out the answer to that question before i even asked it
iwillgonow: Haha
iwillgonow: God has preserved His truth.
psycho314t: and its up to us to go out and find it
iwillgonow: That's what the 3 verses were for.
psycho314t: yeah.. ive heard that all my life.. never realized it was in 3 diff books tho
iwillgonow: Remember "Heaven and earth...pass away..." before His word passes away?
psycho314t: nope... His word shall never pass away
iwillgonow: That means it has been preserved throughout all human history.
iwillgonow: Ah, correct.
iwillgonow: Verbally at first, then written up to today.
iwillgonow: The mind was much greater thousands of years ago...
iwillgonow: Have your questions been answer completely, or just "I guess?"
psycho314t: yes, i do believe they have... : )
06/03/01
iwillgonow: Beginning at Moses, the very Alpha of Bible history, Christ expounded in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. Had Hefirst made Himself known to them, their hearts would have been satisfied. In the fullness of their joy they would have hungered for nothing more. But it was necessary for them to understand the witness borne to Him by the types and prophecies of the Old Testament. Upon these their faith must be established. Christ performed no miracle to convince them, but it was His first work to explain the Scriptures. They had looked upon His death as the destruction of all their hopes. Now He showed from the prophets that this was the very strongest evidence for their faith.
iwillgonow: In teaching these disciples, Jesus showed the importance of the Old Testament as a witness to His mission. Many professed Christians now discard the Old Testament, claiming that it is no longer of any use. But such is not Christ's teaching. So highly did He value it that at one time He said, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31.
iwillgonow: Even in the late 1800's, "Christians" felt the OT was worthless.
psycho314t: what irony.. the disciples and followers of Christ forgot His own words that He would die and come back on the third day, while pilate and all the soldiers knew of the prophecies and did everything they could to prevent it..
iwillgonow: It is the voice of Christ that speaks through patriarchs and prophets, from the days of Adam even to the closing scenes of time. The Saviour is revealed in the Old Testament as clearly as in the New. It is the light from the prophetic past that brings out the life of Christ and the teachings of the New Testament with clearness and beauty. The miracles of Christ are a proof of His divinity; but a stronger proof that He is the world's Redeemer is found in comparing the prophecies of the Old Testament with the history of the New.
jello13091: How can people only believe in the New?
jello13091: I guess that's kinda silly though, cause like i was raised to only believe in the Old.
iwillgonow: How can people only believe in the Old?
jello13091: It's very easy
jello13091: The New deals with Jesus, and when you don't believe in Jesus, you don't believe in the New
iwillgonow: The Old has no conclusion.
iwillgonow: It has no redeeming from the law.
iwillgonow: The Old is death without hope of life.
iwillgonow: UNLESS you recognize the Messiah, that He must make it all better, or all is lost.
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