evolution: Biblical creation vs. evolution

02/24/01

psycho314t: Yet, the evolutionary premise demands the initial creation of matter and energy from nothing. <== isnt that what God did tho, created matter and life where there previously was none?
psycho314t: i dont pretend to know anywhere near enough about evolution to be really involved in this discussion in the room.. im horrible at science...
iwillgonow: It's ok.
psycho314t: so what about what i asked about that sentence i pasted?
iwillgonow: That's the point, Jennifer. God can, science cannot.
iwillgonow: So science is wrong.
psycho314t: evolution = science, right?
iwillgonow: Supposedly, though it is not really science.
iwillgonow: Because it goes against science.
psycho314t: ok, thats where you lose me, sorta.. it goes against science by saying that matter was created out of nothingness. yes?
iwillgonow: Yes.
iwillgonow: Hold on and watch.
psycho314t: and God created matter out of nothingness... yes?
psycho314t: ok


psycho314t: gimme link
iwillgonow: http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/evolution-fact-fallacy-1.html


psycho314t: Private Message from: Eve of Eden - ?, IF you take the "theories" of Science and stick to the FACTS only, and take "traditions of men and church doctrine" out of the bible, the bible and Science COMPLIMENT each other and support each other.
psycho314t: i think that was meant for u : P
iwillgonow: Haha, and it is true. Science acknowledges its Creator, not denies Him.
iwillgonow: God is the God of all, even science.
psycho314t: yup
iwillgonow: You don't believe in Evolution, do you?
iwillgonow: ...Jennifer?
psycho314t: i wish i knew more about it.. the way i always believed was that evolution was the scientific account of God's creation... but you threw me with the question you asked dakota earlier, about the days of creation not being literal days
psycho314t: it always seemed to me that God's 7 days of creation could have taken the billions of years we learn of in science..
iwillgonow: Read the biblestudy page on Evolution I gave you, ok? We can read it together if you like.
psycho314t: ya, i know... ive been reading it a little when the chat died down.. but its been pretty lively all afternoon
iwillgonow: Evolution is false, Jennifer. Scientifically it is a fraud, and Biblically it does not agree with the Bible.
psycho314t: i'm reading, i'm reading


iwillgonow: . Huxley, the noted evolutionist, once admitted, "It is clear that the doctrine of evolution is directly antagonistic to that of creation. Evolution, if consistently accepted, makes it impossible to believe in the Bible."
iwillgonow: Can't have both, just one or the other.
psycho314t: yeah, i'm seeing that..
iwillgonow: This stuff is excellent, combining common sense, simple scientific facts, and the Bible's, well, simplicity compared to the mind-boggling big bang and such.
psycho314t: ya it is..


iwillgonow: Charles Darwin is the human author of the theory of Evolution.
iwillgonow: You know that, right?
psycho314t: yes
iwillgonow: He thought his own theory was "absurd."
iwillgonow: Read that again.
psycho314t: oh yeah.. i saw them mentioning that in the chat this morning...
psycho314t: or afternoon, or whenever that was
iwillgonow: "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree" (Charles Darwin, Origin of Species, chapter: "Difficulties").
iwillgonow: Is that not amazing? The very one who "invented" it didn't think it was very rational himself!
psycho314t: yeah.. yet so many ppl came to follow it...
iwillgonow: Satan is the author.
iwillgonow: As he is of all that is false doctrine.
iwillgonow: Evolution is a religion against God, as all are that teach against His Bible, and therefore against Him Himself.
iwillgonow: Well Jennifer, one of those simple yet incredibly important statements:
iwillgonow: There is only one, only one right way. All else are wrong.

 

08/11/01

iwillgonow: Ever think of how outrageous it is for Evolutionists to take the Biblical account of Creation as proof for evolution?
iwillgonow: They take the Creator's word to prove He doesn't exist!
iwillgonow: Since Noah's time and back, man has used "science" to defend his sinful ways.
iwillgonow: They mocked Noah, said "scientifically" it wasn't possible for a flood to occur.
iwillgonow: Today they say "scientifically" Creation is impossible.
psycho314t: yeah... hardened hearts, to deny something so obvious
iwillgonow: Or ridiculous to use the BIBLE to say there's no God?
psycho314t: extremely
iwillgonow: "Hey God didn't create the world, evolution did, and let me show you in God's word in Genesis just how that works out..."
iwillgonow: ???
iwillgonow: I have a friend like that, Jennifer.
iwillgonow: A person who believes in an Evolutionary account of Creationism.
iwillgonow: Basically saying God exists,
iwillgonow: but,
iwillgonow: He used Evolution to make everything.
psycho314t: i used to believe that
psycho314t: i think you know that, tho
iwillgonow: It's like trying to compromise on two extremes.
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: The only problem there is that if God used Evolution to create the universe, then the Bible is just a story book.
iwillgonow: Because it lists times.
iwillgonow: Dates.
iwillgonow: History.
iwillgonow: And you have to throw that all away if it took billions of years.
iwillgonow: Not days.
psycho314t: yeah...
iwillgonow: And you know what, Jennifer?
iwillgonow: He says just that.
iwillgonow: "It's just a story book."
psycho314t: so many people do
iwillgonow: "Meant to teach moral lessons."
psycho314t: "some guy with a big imagination...."
iwillgonow: He does just what you have to do to believe in evolution and God; he throws the Bible out the window.
iwillgonow: You have to discount the Bible to believe both.
psycho314t: you have to discount the bible to have any sort of compromise between it and something else
iwillgonow: You have to say it's stories aren't historical.
iwillgonow: It's dates are fictional.
iwillgonow: It's timeline is made up.
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: And that the Biblical account of Creation is just, and I quote, "A simple story made up so people could understand it, because God couldn't explain evolution to those people back then."
iwillgonow: Because, you see,
iwillgonow: according to Evolution,
iwillgonow: we're,
iwillgonow: evolving.
iwillgonow: Not devolving.
iwillgonow: We're getting smarter.
iwillgonow: Living longer.
iwillgonow: Stronger
iwillgonow: Better.
iwillgonow: And back when the Bible was written, we were just a little more than brutes.
psycho314t: as opposed to weaker, shorter, stupider..
psycho314t: thats so... sad
psycho314t: that people believe that
iwillgonow: Guess how many believe that.
iwillgonow: Almost all.
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: It's the sentiment of most major Christianity religions.
iwillgonow: Combining the "genius" of modern knowledges in science with the belief in a god.
psycho314t: i never heard it taught in church, but it was the answer to the question posed to my grandmother when they started teaching about evolution in skool
iwillgonow: Which was only 50 years ago.
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: Before that, there was the BIBLE in schools.
iwillgonow: But that's not ok anymore.
iwillgonow: Now Evolution is the state funded religion.
iwillgonow: I think about something simple.
iwillgonow: Where would moral rules, like right and wrong be, if there was no god?
iwillgonow: How can evolution explain the defining moral standards of all mankind?
psycho314t: it doesnt..
iwillgonow: Where does LOVE come into the survival of the species?
iwillgonow: Compassion?
iwillgonow: Mercy?
iwillgonow: Kindness?
iwillgonow: How did we evolve emotions?
psycho314t: i always remember the quote from some guy in the kent hovind book.. "either there is a god, or there is not. both possibilities are frightening."
iwillgonow: Exactly.
iwillgonow: If there is no god,
iwillgonow: there are no rules.
iwillgonow: No rules.
psycho314t: and we're messed up..
iwillgonow: Do whatever you want.
psycho314t: cuz nothing to keep us in line
psycho314t: no controlling effect, we'd be at the mercy of ... evolution and science, i assume
iwillgonow: Kill and rape and murder and pillage and steal and do whatever your heart desires, because there are no rules, no natural laws or standards.
iwillgonow: No conscience.
iwillgonow: How did conscience evolve?
iwillgonow: Who can claim authority over you if you were all just a bunch of giant monkeys?
iwillgonow: Who can tell you what to do?
iwillgonow: You're as much of a monkey as me!
iwillgonow: Do what I well please!
iwillgonow: Why respect?
iwillgonow: Why have order?
psycho314t: haha.... and somehow, all of that is more fathomable and acceptable than a just, loving Father presiding over us..
iwillgonow: Yeah, people would rather be losed from God and His requirements, so they can call themselves apes.
iwillgonow: Or celestial primordeal soup.
iwillgonow: A random collection of particles that reacted with each other (don't know how or why or where they came from).
iwillgonow: "I love you wife."
iwillgonow: "I don't have any idea why."
psycho314t: "i dont know what a wife is, either"
iwillgonow: "I don't have to."
iwillgonow: "I don't know what love is either."
iwillgonow: Here's another thing
psycho314t: "oh well."
iwillgonow: WHY don't EVOLUTIONISTS promote Evolutionary ideas???
iwillgonow: Why don't they say we should kill all people with genetic diseases to keep the human gene pool "clean?"
iwillgonow: Why don't they say we should have as much sex as we can with suitable genetic partners, whomever they are, to continue to advance the evolution of the species?
iwillgonow: Why don't they simply start promoting evolutionary beliefs?
iwillgonow: It's just weird.
psycho314t: heh. no one would support it if they did that, and they know it
psycho314t: ppl go away from God b/c God tells them to behave or die
psycho314t: ooh, evolution doesnt have anything like that, it looks good!
iwillgonow: In evolution, there's no hope for life after death.
iwillgonow: You just get to recycle yourself in the endless circle of life.
iwillgonow: Sounds desirable.
psycho314t: ppl would rather just sleep later than worry with rules now
psycho314t: b/c they cant discern their beginning and end,... we're back to free will..
psycho314t: <clumsyraine> why in the world is it somehow "better" to belive you evolved from some stupid monkeys, than to think that you have a loving, caring, honest Father who created you..?
<clumsyraine> believe*
[23:18] <Montaro> exactly
[23:18] <Montaro> monkies ppfffttt
[23:18] <Montaro> i dont look like a bloody monkey

iwillgonow: Nope, we don't.
iwillgonow: Man, if anything it feels good to look forward to an end to sin and pain and suffering and sorrow and evil, to a time and place of endless happiness and satisfaction, love and comfort, even if I don't know if I'll be alive to see that age begin.
psycho314t: yeah, it does
iwillgonow: We know, we KNOW, that good triumphs over evil in the end.
psycho314t: : )