fairness: considering the fairness of God

07/14/01

iwillgonow: Anyone who doesn't choose God and His government CHOOSES BY DEFAULT SATAN AND HIS GOVERNMENT; THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, THERE IS NOT AN IN-BETWEEN, THERE IS NO GRAY AREA.
psycho314t: the close of probation might be a good estimation for the decree to kill the sabbathkeepers, then
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: Your moms,
iwillgonow: brothers,
iwillgonow: sisters,
iwillgonow: whatevers,
iwillgonow: will either kill you or be saved with you.
iwillgonow: They will not remain "in the middle."
psycho314t: ive thought about trying to tell my mom that... i dont think it would go over well tho
iwillgonow: No it wouldn't.
jello13091: What about children who are ignorant
jello13091: ?
iwillgonow: If you're not for God, 100%, you're against Him.
jello13091: Children-young kids
iwillgonow: Children, until the age of accountability, are under the spiritual ownership of their parents.
iwillgonow: They are not capable of being held responsible for their own souls.
iwillgonow: They will die if their parents are sinners.
iwillgonow: They will be saved by their parents if they are true.
jello13091: So the children are lost if their parents are evil?
iwillgonow: This is the way God has made it.
jello13091: Now I know that God is fair, but that doesn't seem fair
psycho314t: no, that doesnt.. that stinks
iwillgonow: Look it up in the Bible.
jello13091: I guess though it would be fair if their parents didn't teach them
psycho314t: i thought until the age of accountability, you were innocent
iwillgonow: No, you're not given a free license to do whatever you want until you reach 12.
jello13091: You could be evil at the age of 6 and not know anything about God due to the parents not teaching them
psycho314t: oh.. the sins of the fathers visited on the children thing?
iwillgonow: I wonder if I can remember where the substantiation for that is, cause that's not it specifically.
psycho314t: im not talking about a free license to kill until age 12... im talking about those who arent inherently evil, but dont know about God yet, maybe age 6 or something
iwillgonow: That's for God's punishments on fathers being delayed until the son comes and the father dies.
psycho314t: isnt every person on the planet supposed to have the chance to choose God over satan? oh
iwillgonow: Well let's think about this logically for a second.
iwillgonow: If you are NOT ok to do whatever you want to until you reach the time in your development where you can discern between good and evil, then WHO PAYS THE PRICE FOR YOUR ACTIONS WHILE YOU ARE IGNORANT?
iwillgonow: Somebody has to pay.
iwillgonow: Guess what.
iwillgonow: Your parents pay.
iwillgonow: That's right.
iwillgonow: "BUT THAT'S NOT FAIR!"
iwillgonow: That's the way it is.
iwillgonow: And it's good.
iwillgonow: Cause God said so.
jello13091: Well, it as the parent's responsibility to teach the children
iwillgonow: Your parents were held accountable for your behavior as a child.
iwillgonow: EXACTLY JULIE.
iwillgonow: Because they're your parents.
iwillgonow: And if you're bad.
iwillgonow: It's their fault.
iwillgonow: So if they are bad,
iwillgonow: you're bad,
iwillgonow: you all get to burn.
iwillgonow: LIKEWISE,
iwillgonow: if a Godly parent keeps a young child in obedience to the commandments of God at an early age,
iwillgonow: They are counted righteous.
iwillgonow: Because of the parent.
iwillgonow: And the parent's righteousness.
psycho314t: i still dont know how much sense that makes... if you're bad, they get punished for not teaching you better. if theyre bad, you get punished cuz they didnt teach you better?
iwillgonow: I haven't gone over this in years.
iwillgonow: I just know it from what I've been taught.
iwillgonow: Have to refresh on it, I guess.
psycho314t: someone asked me the other day, and i didnt have an answer for it
iwillgonow: Well guess what Jennifer.
iwillgonow: I've read what happens to slaves.
iwillgonow: Those who never leave the master's dungeon.
iwillgonow: And are nothing more than animals.
jello13091: It's up to the parents. How else do the children know what to do?
iwillgonow: They are killed in the end in MERCY so that God will make them as if they had never been.
iwillgonow: And that's fair.
iwillgonow: They are not educated, they have no knowledge of God.
psycho314t: i can see where thats fair... they didnt have a chance to get better, but they werent punished for it either..
iwillgonow: Well with children it's the responsibility of the parents to develop the children spiritually.
jello13091: Children have the chance......through their parents
psycho314t: only if the parents are willing to teach them, tho
iwillgonow: If they don't do their job, the child is not good.
psycho314t: and the kids dont know that theyre bad...
psycho314t: they dont know theyre missing out on God
iwillgonow: Neither does a slave.
psycho314t: but the kids burn, and the slave wont?
iwillgonow: Slave burns too.
iwillgonow: "Made as if they had not been."
iwillgonow: John:9:2: And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
John:9:3: Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
iwillgonow: And He healed him.
iwillgonow: That I just came across, and it was interesting.
iwillgonow: The children thing I would have to prepare on before I could give a full blown study on it.
iwillgonow: But think about it.
iwillgonow: Is it FAIR that God makes people crippled so they can be an example?
iwillgonow: FAIR that God made Pharaoh hard of heart?
iwillgonow: FAIR that children are under the souls of their parents until they can descern good and evil?
iwillgonow: You study it out.
psycho314t: i will
iwillgonow: I say it is, and you won't have to look hard around the Pharaoh example to find an Apostle backing me up.
iwillgonow: Matter of fact, I'll get that now.
psycho314t: pharaoh was given opportunities to change, wasnt he?
jello13091: Every plague
jello13091: maybe?
iwillgonow: Roma:9:13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:14: What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:15: For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:16: So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:17: For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:18: Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:19: Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
iwillgonow: Roma:9:20: Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
iwillgonow: Roma:9:21: Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
iwillgonow: Roma:9:22: What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
iwillgonow: Roma:9:23: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Roma:9:24: Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
iwillgonow: Well now we're off topic, but this is a big topic needed to be hit.
iwillgonow: What read ye both in these verses?
jello13091: Things are done for a purpose and are done equally
jello13091: That God is righteous
iwillgonow: Ah, but are you sure?
iwillgonow: Do you not doubt so hard like you did earlier, with the children?
iwillgonow: Why would the children spark you so hard, yet Pharaoh is of no consequence if he was destined to DIE?
jello13091: God made Pharoah the way He did in order to accomplish something.
iwillgonow: Where is Pharoah's fairness???
jello13091: The one who creates has power over the created
iwillgonow: I'm struggling everyday to do what's right, and if God killed me this VERY INSTANT, would He be FAIR?
iwillgonow: And if He let me live 100 more years, would He be FAIR?
jello13091: Because I hadn't thought of the children thing through with the parents before I spoke so hard.
jello13091: Jacob, like you said, I can only reply to one thing at a time. slow down
iwillgonow: Either way, God is still good, whether He takes my life today or 100 years from now.
jello13091: yes, I know
iwillgonow: WHERE'S MY FAIRNESS?
jello13091: From God.
jello13091: it's with God
iwillgonow: Think about it.
iwillgonow: You need to be sure.
iwillgonow: You really think God is fair?
iwillgonow: You sure bout that?
iwillgonow: What about your life?
jello13091: God is fariness
iwillgonow: What about what's happened to you?
iwillgonow: WHAT IF YOU WERE DESTINED TO SUFFER?
iwillgonow: Still think He's fair?
psycho314t: pharaoh was used to get the point across. he was given opportunities to change, and he didnt, showing the world at large what happens as consequence.. yes, God is fair. God doesnt give people more than he knows they can handle
iwillgonow: What if you're a good girl, Jennifer, but God's going to give you cancer and let you die?
iwillgonow: Where is the fairness?
iwillgonow: What if that's your destiny!
iwillgonow: You can do nothing!
psycho314t: if it can be used to glorify Him and bring me closer to Him..
psycho314t: but how does killing children who weren't taught the truth glorify Him?
jello13091: It teaches parents
iwillgonow: How does killing slaves who never knew God glorify Him?
psycho314t: im NOT arguing about the fairness of God, btw.. im arguing that you're wrong about children being judged by the parents souls
jello13091: Teaches them what they should do
iwillgonow: What?
psycho314t: im not sure about that now, either.. i misunderstood the way you said it earlier
iwillgonow: How does savages dying without the knowledge of God glorify Him?
iwillgonow: How many die without ever knowing any truth?
iwillgonow: Is that fair?
iwillgonow: Is that destiny?
psycho314t: good question... i thought everyone was supposed to have a shot at hearing the truth
iwillgonow: No they don't.
jello13091: If God is unfair, Jesus would've been more than human on earth
iwillgonow: There's thousands of savages in the Amazon who don't know God.
iwillgonow: And tribes all over Africa who don't know God.
iwillgonow: People who don't wear clothes.
iwillgonow: And worship animals.
jello13091: Punishment, possibly from crimes their ancestors comitted?
iwillgonow: WHERE IS THEIR FAIRNESS, JENNIFER?
iwillgonow: You don't know.
psycho314t: nope
iwillgonow: Let me post something again that I already did: It answered the question before it was asked.
psycho314t: i can prolly guess
iwillgonow: Roma:9:21: Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
iwillgonow: Roma:9:22: What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Roma:9:23: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
iwillgonow: There's His glory, Jennifer.
iwillgonow: God is the potter. All creation, specifically people, are clay. God ENDURES the people who are made to do evil in order to make known His GLORY to those who are made to receive His MERCY.
iwillgonow: And what do we say?
iwillgonow: Roma:9:14: What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
iwillgonow: Can you believe it Jennifer, that it would be FAIR if God made me to deceive you from the truth, and all this is lies and you bought it because of me???????
psycho314t: hmm..
iwillgonow: This is hard stuff, and not possible to take unless you got the Holy Spirit guiding you.
iwillgonow: The flesh craves, it desires to reject this, the evil nature abhors it.
iwillgonow: I still struggle with it, because I want the power of thinking I'm totally independent.
iwillgonow: But destiny seems very likely to me.
iwillgonow: And if I was told by Jesus that I was made to die and not make it to Heaven for God's glory....I'd hope and pray I'd accept my role and not rebel, cause what would that accomplish.
iwillgonow: God would still be good.
iwillgonow: And I wouldn't go.
iwillgonow: Shoot, I don't deserve it.
iwillgonow: Never will deserve it.
iwillgonow: So that logically could be fair, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
iwillgonow: Who deserves to go to Heaven? Children?
iwillgonow: Children born into a sinful nature?
iwillgonow: They do not accept God when they are born.
iwillgonow: Neither reject Him.
iwillgonow: They know neither things.
iwillgonow: So the parents are their responsibles.
iwillgonow: Because why not?
iwillgonow: Parents made them.
psycho314t: not when you put it that way.. ive had that question of deserving, etc for awhile.. id forgotten about it with this subject, tho
iwillgonow: They are the parents children.
iwillgonow: Parents OWN their children.
iwillgonow: Why pick anyone else?
iwillgonow: You have to pick God, God won't make you pick Him.
iwillgonow: Children can't pick.
iwillgonow: Either way.
iwillgonow: But parents can.
iwillgonow: And parents own children.
iwillgonow: Until the children can descern good and evil.
iwillgonow: They are their spiritual teachers and responsibles.
jello13091: Ok
iwillgonow: So Julie thinks so?
iwillgonow: We can come back to this.
iwillgonow: Next week.
iwillgonow: But think about fairness some more.
iwillgonow: And remember that so many die without a CHANCE.
iwillgonow: And think about fairness.
jello13091: I know that God is fair. I see that parents are responsible for their children
iwillgonow: The Bible answers the question.
psycho314t: yeah.. i think i get it too
iwillgonow: I wonder if I really even understand it.
iwillgonow: How's it fair that some die without a chance?
iwillgonow: Well it is.
iwillgonow: Welcome to faith; the believing in things not seen.
jello13091: Yeah, really
iwillgonow: Cause people do die without ever knowing God exists.
iwillgonow: Have for thousands of years.
iwillgonow: We are promised, that in the end, the entire world will hear the final message, and then the end will come.
iwillgonow: The last message was begun.
jello13091: People will understand in Heaven, right? They will get to communicate with God and Jesus and learn al
iwillgonow: We'll understand it all, but the mysteries of some things we'll study forever.
iwillgonow: Like the love of God, we'll never fully know.
iwillgonow: Even though we'll never die, isn't that unreal?
iwillgonow: Jennifer, you there?
psycho314t: incomprehensible..
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: Jennifer, we can't even imagine what kind of things come into motion because of someone not knowing God, what influence they have and what things come into play, and the results that are known by God before the world began. Glory He gets, you just read it in Romans, that the vessels fitted for destruction are MADE so that God will make His glory known to the vessels of mercy, which He fore-ordained.
iwillgonow: So many things "work" that we can't figure out how they work.
iwillgonow: But build on what is sure fact.
iwillgonow: And our fact here, our foundation, is....
iwillgonow: What?
iwillgonow: Answer quickly.
psycho314t: you think maybe those the vessels of destruction are made as such because of what God knows? He's all-knowing, maybe He saw that they wouldnt have accepted Him anyway?
psycho314t: God is fair.
iwillgonow: Bingo, stated clearly in the Bible.
iwillgonow: "There is no unrighteousness with God."
iwillgonow: "God is a just God."
iwillgonow: I've thought that before, Jennifer.
iwillgonow: But read this:
iwillgonow: Roma:9:11: (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
iwillgonow: Roma:9:12: It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
iwillgonow: This is referring to Esau and Jacob.
iwillgonow: And it says that what happened to them was not because they were good or evil, because before they are born they are neither, but happened because "the purpose of God according to the election might stand."
iwillgonow: Understand?
iwillgonow: You are not good or evil when you're not born.
jello13091: You don't exist when You're not born
iwillgonow: Neither was Esau, but what did God say about him before he was born?
iwillgonow: Roma:9:13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
iwillgonow: And Esau had no sinn.
iwillgonow: Think about it.
iwillgonow: The answer is above.
iwillgonow: that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
psycho314t: not totally sure what that verse means
iwillgonow: Alright, I'll start from the beginning of the chapter.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:1: I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
iwillgonow: Roma:9:2: That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:3: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
iwillgonow: Roma:9:4: Who are Israelites;
iwillgonow: to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
iwillgonow: Roma:9:5: Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:6: Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
iwillgonow: (spiritual adoption here jennifer)
iwillgonow: Roma:9:7: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:8: That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:9: For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
iwillgonow: Roma:9:10: And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Roma:9:11: (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Roma:9:12: It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
iwillgonow: See how that's an inclusion within that single sentence?
psycho314t: yeah..
iwillgonow: When she conceived, their destiny was made known, NOT because the children were good or evil in the womb, but because the purpose of God according to election might stand.
iwillgonow: And that was fair, since we know that "God is a just God."
iwillgonow: It was not an issue of goodness or evilness; it was just what it says it was an issue of.
iwillgonow: that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
iwillgonow: So what if for the purpose of God according to election to stand, you were a heathen who was destined to die without the knowledge of Jesus? What would that be? Would it be no more different than Jacob and Esau?
iwillgonow: It is clear that God has a chosen people.
iwillgonow: Another thing that supports destiny.
iwillgonow: "Those whom I have called."
iwillgonow: Is that fair?
iwillgonow: We would do good to be sure about God's fairness.
jello13091: yes
iwillgonow: Well think about it.
iwillgonow: Talk out loud. Reason.
iwillgonow: Why am I not hearing anything from you two?
iwillgonow: "Come, let us reason together."
jello13091: God made Jesus a man
jello13091: Making Him have the ability to sin therefore making it fair to prove that good could win
iwillgonow: Jennifer?
psycho314t: i dont know what to say..
iwillgonow: What are you thinking about that you don't know what to say to?
psycho314t: the approach from before, about no one really deserving anything that God gives us
iwillgonow: Do you feel that somebody out there deserves something from God?
jello13091: Sometimes, if someone gets so much bad stuff, they may feel like they deserve something good from God.
iwillgonow: Yes or no question, then you can explain.
psycho314t: not really.. we're all sinful and weak compared to Him
iwillgonow: Well they don't, let me give you an example.
iwillgonow: Ever heard the parable of the Prodigal Son?
jello13091: English class!
psycho314t: you explained it briefly to me once
iwillgonow: We are the son.
iwillgonow: God is the Father.
jello13091: Oh i see how it relates
jello13091: Those who do good don't need anything to show that they do good or believe.
jello13091: Is that kinda right?
jello13091: They don't need anything more since they already have faith and beli
jello13091: ef
iwillgonow: We have taken everything from Him and wasted it and thrown it away and ended up destitute and worthless and wretched.
iwillgonow: And we do not DESERVE having it again or being with Him in His house again after what we've done.
iwillgonow: But here's what we can do:
iwillgonow: We can come back, and offer to be His servants, because we are not worthy to be called His sons anymore.
iwillgonow: Because His servants get better than the life we have without Him.
iwillgonow: And you know what He'll do?
psycho314t: He takes us back
iwillgonow: He'll give us His finest robe, and make a great feast and say "Today is a great day! My son was lost and now is found! We must celebrate!" And He will forgive us and love us still.
iwillgonow: That's the meaning of the parable.
iwillgonow: And if the son who never left Him complains in jealousy, then you can read the rest to find out what happens, what the Father says to this son.
jello13091: Brb
iwillgonow: Jennifer...speaka up.
jello13091: Ok, I gotta run.
psycho314t: i was trying to find that parable
psycho314t: bye julie
jello13091: Its in Luke
jello13091: adios
psycho314t: oh, i was looking in matthew.. no wonder
iwillgonow: Luke:15:11: And he said, A certain man had two sons:
iwillgonow: There it is.

08/11/01

iwillgonow: Children are committed to their parents as a precious trust, which God will one day require at their hands.
iwillgonow: See?
iwillgonow: It's true.
iwillgonow: Parent's hold the child's very life in their hands, so they are responsible and held accountable for it.
psycho314t: i pasted a verse to u the other day that said the parents dont take the punishment for childrens sins, and children dont take punishment for parents sins
iwillgonow: Which has nothing to do with this.
psycho314t: ?
iwillgonow: Parents either raise their children godly, or are held accountable.
iwillgonow: For abandoning their JOB committed to them by God.
iwillgonow: God gives you a kid.
iwillgonow: You are put in charge of it.
iwillgonow: To do what you are told to do.
iwillgonow: IF you don't,
psycho314t: right
iwillgonow: you are held for that choice.
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: Children are committed to their parents as a precious trust, which God will one day require at their hands.
iwillgonow: He'll say "What have you done?
iwillgonow: You will answer for the way your child was raised.
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: A child lost from the beginning is one who is never given the instruction required by the parents.
iwillgonow: Never taught right from wrong.
iwillgonow: God.
iwillgonow: Love.
iwillgonow: Respect.
iwillgonow: Obedience.
iwillgonow: Values.
iwillgonow: Morals.
iwillgonow: And the parents will be held accountable.
iwillgonow: For forsaking their trust.
psycho314t: which makes sense
iwillgonow: Remember that your sons and daughters are younger members of God's family. He has committed them to your care, to train and educate for heaven. You must render an account to Him for the manner in which you discharge your sacred trust.
psycho314t: sycho314t: which makes sense
iwillgonow: And if you go to the opposite extreme, and indulge your children because of your love for them, instead of chastening them in your love, you will be held accountable just as the priest of the OT earthly sanctuary.
iwillgonow: Who loved his children so much he would not discipline them.
iwillgonow: Which is no love at all.
iwillgonow: They profained the sanctuary of God.
iwillgonow: And were consumed.
iwillgonow: Then the priest was told.
iwillgonow: He died of a heart attack, given by God.
iwillgonow: And though today we might not have to die because our children sin, we will still to this very day be held accountable for the upraising they were given, but from adulthood on, the age of accountability, they are responsible for their own soul.
iwillgonow: And we do not bear their sins.
iwillgonow: There are parents who, without consideration as to whether or not they can do justice to a large family, fill their houses with these helpless little beings, who are wholly dependent upon their parents for care and instruction. . . . This is a grievous wrong, not only to the mother, but to her children and to society. . . .
iwillgonow: Parents should always bear in mind the future good of their children. They should not be compelled to devote every hour to taxing labor in order to provide the necessaries of life.
iwillgonow: Have a family you can provide for.
iwillgonow: Simple and smart.
psycho314t: yeah

08/31/01

psycho314t: ah! i just found the answer to something from a few weeks back.. the deal about untaught children burning just like the untaught slaves burn.. i knew that didnt sound right >: \
psycho314t: the "made as if they had not been" thing, you misinterpreted
psycho314t: God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master's lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes. But He does the best thing for him that a compassionate God can do. He permits him to be as if he had not been, while the master must endure the seven last plagues and then come up in the second resurrection and suffer the second, most awful death.
iwillgonow: Uh...what do you think it's saying?
psycho314t: the slave doesnt burn... the master does
iwillgonow: That is it by the way, good job on finding it.
iwillgonow: Where does the slave go?
psycho314t: he doesnt go anywhere, he was made as if he never was
psycho314t: someone who 'had not been' wouldnt be resurrected and burned
iwillgonow: I said that.
psycho314t: no.. u said he burns
iwillgonow: No, I quoted "made as if he did not exist," but figured he didn't just dissapear into thin air.
psycho314t: no, i went & found it to be sure
psycho314t: iwillgonow: Well with children it's the responsibility of the parents to develop the children spiritually.

: jello13091: Children have the chance......through their parents; psycho314t: only if the parents are willing to teach them, tho; iwillgonow: If they don't do their job, the child is not good.; psycho314t: and the kids dont know that theyre bad...; psycho314t: they dont know theyre missing out on God; iwillgonow: Neither does a slave.; psycho314t: but the kids burn, and the slave wont?; iwillgonow: Slaves burn too.; iwillgonow: "Made as if they had not been."

iwillgonow: Jennifer, that's WHAT I JUST SAID.
iwillgonow: I told you I quoted that.
iwillgonow: "Made as if they had not been."
psycho314t: but you said SLAVES BURN TOO
psycho314t: what i pasted says slave dont exist, MASTER BURNS FOR SLAVE
iwillgonow: CAUSE THAT'S HOW I FIGURED THEY'D BE MADE AS IF THEY HAD NOT BEEN. HOW DO YOU NOT BE? YOU DIE!
psycho314t: yes. dies b4 the plagues and doesnt burn w/ the master
iwillgonow: Ok, I can see how they wouldn't be burned.
iwillgonow: But just die or disspear?
psycho314t: i dont know how either, but i just wanted to point out that they dont burn ; \
iwillgonow: Ok, I agree.
psycho314t: ty : P