feast days (sabbaths): the feast of tabernacles
09/17/01
jello13091: I just read somewhere that "all true believers in the LORD God of Israel and His Son Yeshua are Isralites". They were using that to show that some Gentiles are also the children of Israel but wouldnt that also mean that we are Israelites and that we should be in boothes for those 7 days? Or am I just taking this too far? I just don't want another mistake like the Pentecost one to happen! http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/saccal/festbook/feasts.html Some parts of what they talk about aren't right so I'm not sure how much is credible and so such. It's towards the bottom on that page
psycho314t: ok.. when i've asked jacob about all this, i'm pretty sure the answer is that yes, we are children of israel, but the verse about tabernacles, unlike with the rest of the feast descriptions, says "israelite born shall dwell in tabernacles"...
psycho314t: thats where jacob always makes the differentiation about it
09/29/01
iwillgonow: whoa. jacob just realized something about tabernacles
jello13091: oh no....what
iwillgonow: you're israelite born, arent you?
jello13091: like how?
jello13091: family from Israel, no
iwillgonow: like, literally. not descended from one of the 12 tribes or anything?
iwillgonow: jacob says you told him you're a levite
jello13091: t6hats what i was told
jello13091: see this is why i asked before
iwillgonow: "wait a minute. how can u be from the tribe of judah andthe tribe of levi at the same time?"
jello13091: am ifrom Judah?
iwillgonow: he thinks jews are from the tribe of judah.. unless it became some coverall term later on or something...
jello13091: you said it wasnt neccessarily that they were all jews in judah
jello13091: ???
iwillgonow: i'm going to lethim try to explain
iwillgonow: Ok.
iwillgonow: Listen up.
iwillgonow: Little history for you.
iwillgonow: The 12 tribes of Israel split into two kingdoms over a controversy of who should be the next king after Solomon, I think.
jello13091: i always thought i was a levite because my new is LEV, the people in my temple said i was one, but how do they know....
iwillgonow: Judah and Benjamin made the southern kingdom of Judah, claiming that a descendent of David should rule the throne, while the other 10 tribes made the northern kingdom of Israel, saying somebody else was annointed.
iwillgonow: People from the southern kingdom MIGHT have been collectively referred to as Jews.
iwillgonow: Those from the north were obviously called Israelites.
iwillgonow: IF YOU WERE FROM THE SOUTHERN KINGDOM, YOU WERE EITHER A JEW OR A BEJAMITE.
iwillgonow: NOT A LEVITE.
jello13091: well, i dont know
iwillgonow: If from the north, Levite is possible.
iwillgonow: Why you giving me that now? You've always said you're a Levite.
iwillgonow: So stick with it.
jello13091: thats what i was told. i hvae no idea how they know that though
iwillgonow: Well NOW is not the time to wonder WHY they told you that, if you've been believing and practicing that belief that you're a Levite all your life.
jello13091: practicing what????
iwillgonow: Unless you want to do a radical family history tree in one day.
jello13091: What did Levites practice?
jello13091: the preisthood?
jello13091: how have i practiced that>
iwillgonow: Julie...practicing saying you're a Levite.
iwillgonow: Claiming it.
jello13091: i told you and i questioned this before
jello13091: and it was blown off
iwillgonow: Yeah, but it wasn't worth any effort on your part to figure it out until now, when you want to DENY it because it has some responsibility.
jello13091: No i'm not denying it. and it was worth the effort before. You didnt think so though
iwillgonow: I don't know what you're talking about.
jello13091: So what do I do?
iwillgonow: I just don't see how you could be a Jew and a Levite at the same time, unless there's a corruption of what Jew means, which is possible, that it's become a generalization for a large indistinguishable group of people, instead of a specific selection of a particular people.
iwillgonow: ARE YOU FOLLOWING?
jello13091: Yes
jello13091: waht do we do then?
jello13091: What do I do?
iwillgonow: Find out if you are a Levite or not by saying "Mom, am I a Levite?"
jello13091: she doesnt know
iwillgonow: Then maybe look into the question I have.
jello13091: she doesnt know
iwillgonow: Does your dad know?
jello13091: i dont know
jello13091: I was told by someone at my temple
iwillgonow: Then ask your dad.
iwillgonow: Julie, are you for real?
iwillgonow: You trying to tell me you've claimed that you're a Levite on the basis of SOME FOOL IN YOUR TEMPLE JUST SAYING IT?
iwillgonow: WITH NO PROOF OR STUDY????
jello13091: i havent claimed it. i said i thought i was one, that I was told that i was one
iwillgonow: That's like somebody saying to me "Hey, you look like Jim Carey," and FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE I CLAIM TO BE RELATED TO JIM CAREY!!!!!!!1
jello13091: i didnt look into it cause i didnt care back then and i had no idea what it meant
iwillgonow: Well this is some stupid stuff right here, I'm dissapointed.
jello13091: i knew that it was highest up of like 3 ranks for Jewish people. That's it. It was brought up once at high holiday services and then it never came up again
iwillgonow: I'll make it real clear to you: If you are a Jew, or if you are a Levite, you keep the feast of tabernacles for one week in a temporary dwelling place. IS THAT CLEAR?
jello13091: where?
iwillgonow: in a temporary dwelling place.
jello13091: Like what?
jello13091: and I'm either a Jew or a Levite so I keep it anytway then
iwillgonow: in a temporary dwelling place.
jello13091: Jacob, i dont know what a temporary dwelling place is
iwillgonow: ...
iwillgonow: Do you know what the words "temporary," "dwelling," and "place" mean?
jello13091: Only at night? All the time? I dont know anythng about where that would be and when
iwillgonow: Yes or no question.
jello13091: yes
iwillgonow: Then you know what a temporary dwelling place is, don't you?!
jello13091: no
jello13091: give me an example
iwillgonow: A tent, Julie.
iwillgonow: A tent.
iwillgonow: Is that so hard?
jello13091: Just at night?
iwillgonow: Julie, what's a tent?
jello13091: well, i dont have a tent here
iwillgonow: Julie,
iwillgonow: what is a tent?
jello13091: i know what a tent is
iwillgonow: A tent is a temporary dwelling place!!!!!!!!
jello13091: JUST AT NIGHT??????????
iwillgonow: A place you dwell in temporarily!
iwillgonow: Now here's the next question: If it's a temporary dwelling place, it's going to be the place you dwell temporarily...SO FOR HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS DWELLING IN THIS TEMPORARY PLACE LASTS????
jello13091: SO i need to move all my stuff outside for a week?
iwillgonow: One week is the correct answer.
jello13091: How do I pack to come down to see yall? how do i do laundry
jello13091: What do i do?
iwillgonow: One week of DWELLING, in every sense and effect of the word's meaning, in a tent.
jello13091: No shwoer?
jello13091: no working out
jello13091: i cnat come in here at all?
jello13091: i dont have a tent
iwillgonow: Julie...do people who live in their houses, DWELL in their houses, never LEAVE their houses?!?
jello13091: how do i move everything outside when i dont have a tent to put it in
jello13091: no laundry either
jello13091: hmmmmm
iwillgonow: How do I make this any easier for you to understand....
iwillgonow: Julie, you can leave the tent.
iwillgonow: Julie, you can leave the tent.
iwillgonow: Julie, you can go outside of the tent.
iwillgonow: Julie, you can go do laundry outside of the tent.
iwillgonow: Julie, you can go to class outside of the tent.
iwillgonow: Julie, you can go workout outside of the tent.
iwillgonow: Julie, people who are braindead understand you don't have to stay in your house just because it's the place you dwell in, ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jello13091: well can i lay on my bed in here during the day? Take a nap?
iwillgonow: Jennifer's turn, you're too much for me.
jello13091: DUDE, I DONT KNOW!
jello13091: HAVE I EVER DONE THIS BEFORE?
jello13091: NO
iwillgonow: he gets too worked up
jello13091: so can i take a nap inside?
jello13091: watch tv? be on my computer alot?
iwillgonow: hmm...
jello13091: i'm pretty worked up too.
jello13091: i'm upset because this shouldve been an issue when i asked about it
iwillgonow: yeah i know, but he didnt need to be so mean about it
jello13091: i brought it up and nothing, NOTHING, was done
iwillgonow: i know. i cant believe we didnt look into it before
iwillgonow: well,we did, but we forgot that you'd be considered an israelite
iwillgonow: ok. naps should be outside, b/c you'd normally takea nap in theplace where you dwell
jello13091: HOW COULD WE FORGET ABOUT THIS?
jello13091: honestly....
iwillgonow: u shoulda pointed it out when i told u that jacob said we dont b/c we're not isrealite born... : \
jello13091: Now i get to sleep outside somweher on campus where i dont feel safe on cause i have no idea where else to look for a dwellin gplace
jello13091: i pointed it out long before that came up
jello13091: I questioned it because i am Jewish
iwillgonow: the point is to trust god to keep you safe, just as he did the israelites when they were in their temporary dwelling places
iwillgonow: u didnt make the jewish part of it clear tho, not to me at least. cuz it never crossed my mind untiljacob said it earlier
iwillgonow: also, god promises to protect the possessions you leave behind
jello13091: i did to jacob.
jello13091: the possesiions i leave behind i could care less about
jello13091: so all i do is sleep outside?
jello13091: everything else is normal?
iwillgonow: i would say you'd treat the tent as tho it were your house for the week
iwillgonow: study there, sleep there, eat there..
jello13091: eat there?
jello13091: eat what?
jello13091: leaves?
iwillgonow: you'd eat in your house, right?
iwillgonow: you have food u can take w/ u?
jello13091: i have captain crunch and candy and goldfish
jello13091: i dont eat in my "house" here nayway
iwillgonow: or.... thats what i was aboutto ask. u can go to the cafeteria or whereever\
jello13091: and i dont have the money to go buy alot of food
jello13091: So no computer in here?
jello13091: i dont even have a sleeping bag
jello13091: i can still go out and stuff/
jello13091: the people used to go to Jerusalem...
iwillgonow: ok. ya, its just like you would leave ur room for everything you need to do.... the tent is your room. you can leave it to go to ur classes, to the bathroom, to restaurants, to your computer...
iwillgonow: yep. b/c thats the place god had chosen for them to go to
iwillgonow: but now, whereever we are, god is with us
jello13091: ok i'm in here most of the time on my computer, so it would just be for studying and sleeping. What if i dont even study in here though? I usually study in the lounge
jello13091: hmmmm....sleeping on the ground in cold weather....
jello13091: fun stuff
jello13091: I'm just mad, not that i get to do this, but because we finally brought this up a day before it starts
jello13091: i'm not prepared
iwillgonow: yep. i read something saying tabernacles is inthis season of the year to further emphasize the point of trusting in god
jello13091: that is why i'm mad
iwillgonow: i know, its short notice. but god will help u make it work b/c you're keeping his feast. and jacob says u should be happy that u found it out ahead of time at the very least
jello13091: the Israelites during the feast dwelt in booths or tabernacles of green boughs.
jello13091: I DONT HAVE THAT....
jello13091: I DONT HAVE A TENT
jello13091: i'm gonna be sleeping on the ground, nothing under me and maybe a blanket on top. that's it
iwillgonow: and.. the boughs & stuff was what they had at the time, but u dont have that, so u just use whatever youhave...
jello13091: which is nothign
jello13091: hmm....what if i need to study with the computer though...........it doesnt make any sense
iwillgonow: Lookie here.
iwillgonow: I'm gonna do something for you.
iwillgonow: To reaffirm your situation, I'll ask my parents if you should keep it in booths.
jello13091: How are they going to know?
iwillgonow: That way, when they say YES, you'll be that much more convinced.
jello13091: WHY WASNT THIS AN ISSUE EARLIER
jello13091: IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
iwillgonow: Cause they've studied it out just like we have, only harder, because it was a big question in our last church, whether we were "spiritual Jews" and should keep a fleshly Jewish ordinance, etc.
iwillgonow: By the devout in Israel, fully a month of every year was occupied in this way.
jello13091: a month?
iwillgonow: YEAH, so how about that? YOU SLAcKER
iwillgonow: haha
jello13091: what?!
jello13091: am i in Israel?
iwillgonow: It was a period free from care and labor, and almost wholly devoted, in the truest sense, to purposes of education.
jello13091: haha
jello13091: can i study on the monday sabbath inside?
iwillgonow: Why are you asking me that question AGAIN???? HAVE I NOT MADE IT ABSOULTELY CLEAR?
jello13091: becuase i'm still confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jello13091: be nice please.... :(
iwillgonow: You are pathetic.
iwillgonow: Yes you can study with us inside, just like when I LIVE HERE I CAN GO TO JENNIFER'S ROOM AND STUDY IN HER ROOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
iwillgonow: JUST LIKE YOU CAN GO INSIDE THE SCHOOL AND TAKE A SHOWER, AND BLAH BLAH BLAH, AND BLAH BLAH BLAH, AND BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH.
iwillgonow: You need to calm down and keep studying, YOU HAVE AN ASSIGNMENT.
jello13091: This kind of shelter brought the realization, remembrance and thanksgiving that God was their protector, guide and deliverer, the One who brought them out of Egypt (sin), bondage and oppression, to a physical type of salvation which looked forward to the thousand-year reign of Christ in the Kingdom of God.
jello13091: The Festival of Tabernacles reminds us that living in temporary dwellings, whether our homes or our own bodies, foreshadows permanent residence and a glorious, immortal body in the Kingdom of God.
jello13091: what are you doing?
jello13091: We dwell in booths (temporary dwellings) for seven days, to teach us that we are strangers and pilgrims on this earth, looking forward to a New Heavens and New Earth wherein dwells righteousness.
jello13091: We expect also to drink in the Almighty's Word all eight days of the festival.
jello13091: ????
iwillgonow: Drink means read, take into yourself.
jello13091: ahhhhhhhhhhhh
jello13091: so should i be building a dwelling?
iwillgonow: TENT, T.E.N.T.
iwillgonow: CApice?
jello13091: HAVE NO TENT
jello13091: capice?!
jello13091: understand?
jello13091: NO TENT
jello13091: nada
iwillgonow: Then you get to get one, huh, or sleep in the dirt.
jello13091: yeah that wouldnt look suspicious or anything....me in a tent on campus thats patrolled
iwillgonow: Hey...I dunno how you're going to do it, but that doesn't mean you don't have to do it.
jello13091: i can use my friends sleeping bag but he wants me to dry clean it afterwards.....
jello13091: i know
iwillgonow: God didn't say you get to dwell in booths of luxury at your own nice place and way.
iwillgonow: He said DO IT.
jello13091: towel....there we go
jello13091: towel and blanket, i'm set
iwillgonow: It's really to impress you with the REALITY that this is not our HOME.
iwillgonow: We live here on earth, WhereEVER that may be, but temporarily. The New Earth is our home, and Heaven our first destination.
iwillgonow: You don't live this life to buy yourself a dwelling place, you live in a dwelling place but temporarily, just for now, just for necessity.
jello13091: i get it
jello13091: the last day of the feast of tabernacles is not a sabbath correct?
iwillgonow: 8th day is.
iwillgonow: 1st day is.
jello13091: yeah
jello13091: Before entering upon this solemn service, held on the second day after the close of the Feast of Tabernacles, they separated themselves from the heathen among them. {PK 665.3}
jello13091: what solemn service on the second day after?
iwillgonow: i ran across that a bit ago, but didnt figureout what she was talking about
jello13091: it seems like the Dof A but that ouldnt make sense in time order
iwillgonow: yeah, thats what i thought too
jello13091: The Feast of Tabernacles was celebrated to
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commemorate the time when the Hebrews dwelt in tents during their sojourn in the wilderness. While this great festival lasted, the people were required to leave their houses and live in booths made of green branches of pine or myrtle. These leafy structures were sometimes erected on the tops of the houses, and in the streets, but oftener outside the walls of the city, in the valleys and along the hill-sides. Scattered about in every direction, these green camps presented a very picturesque appearance. {2SP 343.4}
jello13091: i'm required to build something out of green branches
jello13091: i cant though
jello13091: we should be having festivities
jello13091: The priest had that morning performed the imposing ceremony which represented the smiting of the rock in the wilderness and the issuing therefrom of the water. That rock was a figure of Christ. His words were the water of life. As Jesus spoke thus to the people, their hearts thrilled with a strange awe, and many were ready to exclaim, with the woman of Samaria, "Give me of this water, that I thirst not." {2SP 346.1}
jello13091: ?
iwillgonow: if you don't have access to the green branches, then there's no way you can do that.so you make due with what you have
jello13091: Hollow pomp, riches and honor, cannot satisfy the heart.
iwillgonow: Then the priest dipped from the flowing waters of the Kedron a flagon of water, and, lifting it on high, while the trumpets were sounding, he ascended the broad steps of the temple, keeping time with the music with slow and measured tread, chanting meanwhile: "Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem!" {2SP 344.1}
He bore the flagon to the altar which occupied a central position in the temple court. Here were two silver basins, with a priest standing at each one. The flagon of water was poured into one basin, and a flagon of wine into the other; and the contents of both flowed into a pipe which communicated with the Kedron, and was conducted to the Dead Sea. This display of the consecrated
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iwillgonow: water represented the fountain that flowed from the rock to refresh the Hebrews in the wilderness.
iwillgonow: Whenever God's people, in any period of the world, have cheerfully and willingly carried out His plan in systematic benevolence and in gifts and offerings, they have realized the standing promise that prosperity should attend all their labors just in proportion as they obeyed His requirements.
iwillgonow: Our holidays have been perverted from their intended use. Gifts are lavished upon one another, and praise which should have been given to God, to whom all these things belong, is bestowed upon poor mortals.
iwillgonow: we were wondering about birthdays being good or not, sounds like this is related to that
jello13091: hmmm
iwillgonow: Well would it be for us to have a feast of tabernacles, a joyous commemoration of the blessings of God to us as a people. As the children of Israel celebrated the deliverance that God wrought for their fathers, and his miraculous preservation of them during their journeyings from Egypt to the promised land, so should the people of God at the present time gratefully call to mind the various ways he has devised to bring them out from the world, out from the darkness of error, into the precious light of truth. We should often bring to remembrance the dependence upon God of those who first led out in this work. We should gratefully regard the old way-marks, and refresh our souls with memories of the loving-kindness of our gracious Benefactor.
jello13091: God required of his ancient people three yearly gatherings. "Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles; and they shall not appear before the Lord empty. Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee." No less than one-third of their income was devoted for sacred and religious purposes. {RH, August 25, 1874 par. 49}
jello13091: ?
iwillgonow: something else that sounds like the whole feast thing should just be spiritual in nature to us now
jello13091: like not actually staying elsewhere? or what?
iwillgonow: like not observing the feast of tabernacles, or like not observing atonement. egw didnt believe we were still to take part in the feast days
jello13091: hmmmmmmmm
jello13091: what do we do about that then?
iwillgonow: its just like her not understanding the sprinkling of the blood. that particular knowledge hadnt been made know at thatpoint in time, i think
iwillgonow: known*
jello13091: ok
iwillgonow: she still thought all sins, past/present/future, were taken care of atthe cross, too
jello13091: ah
jello13091: wrong
iwillgonow: yep
jello13091: Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee." No less than one-third of their income was devoted for sacred and religious purposes. {RH, August 25, 1874 par. 49
jello13091: ????????????
jello13091: Well would it be for us to have a feast of tabernacles, a joyous commemoration of the blessings of God to us as a people. As the children of Israel celebrated the deliverance that God wrought for their fathers, and his miraculous preservation of them during their journeyings from Egypt to the promised land, so should the people of God at the present time gratefully call to mind the various ways he has devised to bring them out from the world, out from the darkness of error, into the precious light of truth. We should often bring to remembrance the dependence upon God of those who first led out in this work. We should gratefully regard the old way-marks, and refresh our souls with memories of the loving-kindness of our gracious Benefactor. {RH, November 17, 1885 par. 14}
iwillgonow: jacob says there are 3 tithes, but that we shouldleave that for another day
jello13091: i agree
iwillgonow: yep
jello13091: When this festival was past, one day only having intervened, the children of Israel kept a solemn fast.
jello13091: what is she talking about?!
jello13091: September 23, 1897 At the Feast of Tabernacles.
iwillgonow: paste more of it
jello13091: When this festival was past, one day only having intervened, the children of Israel kept a solemn fast. This was held not merely at the command of the rulers, but by the desire of the people. As they had from day to day listened to the words of the law, they had been deeply convicted of their own transgressions, and also of the sins of their nation in past generations. They saw that it was because of their departure from God that his protecting care had been withdrawn from them, and they had been scattered in foreign lands. And they now determined to seek God's mercy, and to pledge themselves to walk hereafter in his commandments.
iwillgonow: o.. it was just their decision to fast that day
jello13091: weird
iwillgonow: commanded by rulers, not god
jello13091: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
jello13091: The festivities were carried on with an unparalleled splendor.
jello13091: At the Feast of Tabernacles, the most impressive ceremony, one that called forth greatest rejoicing, was one commemorating an event in the wilderness sojourn.
jello13091: Will you listen to the voice of Christ? Will you break away from self and respond, "We come, Lord, we come. With joy shall we draw water out of the wells of salvation"? Then shall your life henceforth be a continual Feast of Tabernacles, a continual thank offering for unnumbered and unmerited blessings. {18MR 270.2}
iwillgonow: When Israel marched out of Egypt, they made their first encampment under the shelter of green boughs at Succoth. And for more than fifteen hundred years the Hebrew nation by the command of God left their houses, and dwelt one whole week in tabernacles of green boughs, to commemorate the encampment of their fathers under the palm branches of Succoth. These seasons of sacred recreation were fraught with both physical and spiritual blessings to Israel. God's people still need seasons of quiet and reflection--seasons in which the soul may undisturbed commune with its Maker. The great work which has been committed to our hands cannot be best carried forward in excitement and confusion. That calm deliberation so essential to sound judgment can often be best secured in some quiet retreat wher
iwillgonow: where the thoughtful mind and pure heart can be prompted by the still, small voice. These forest and mountain homes have great blessings for those who are wearied physically or mentally.
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[21:45] <Jello13091> As they had listened from day to day to the words of the law, the people had been convicted of their transgressions, and of the sins of their nation in past generations. They saw that it was because of a departure from God that His protecting care had been withdrawn and that the children of Abraham had been scattered in foreign lands, and they determined to seek His mercy and to pledge themselves to walk in His commandments. Before entering upon this solemn service, held on the second day after the close of the Feast of Tabernacles, they separated themselves from the heathen among them. {PK 665.3}
[21:45] <Jello13091> Uh, what on the service on the second day after the feast of tabernacles?
[21:47] <Jello13091> As the people prostrated themselves before the Lord,
[21:47] <Jello13091> 666
[21:47] <Jello13091> confessing their sins and pleading for pardon, their leaders encouraged them to believe that God, according to His promise, heard their prayers. They must not only mourn and weep, and repent, but they must believe that God pardoned them. They must show their faith by recounting His mercies and praising Him for His goodness. "Stand up," said these teachers, "and bless the Lord your God for ever and ever." {PK 665.4}
[21:47] <Jello13091> ????
[21:48] <Jello13091> anyone else see an order error? she talks about the solemn service after the feast of tabernacles and then goes right on talking about that service, which sounds a lot like atonement
[21:48] <Jello13091> but atonement wasn't after tabernacles
[21:48] <Jello13091> Prophets and Kings, chapter 56
[21:49] <Jello13091> and she goes on talking about atonement because it talks about the fasting
[23:33] <Vicerant> JENNIFER WHERE ARE YOU!?
[00:28] * Jello13091 is now known as Jello13091^sleep
09/07/02
[10:33] * clumsy^idle is back after 16hrs 3mins 44secs of idleness!
[10:33] <clumsy^idle> jacob: i was SLEEPING
[10:33] * clumsy^idle is now known as clumsyraine
[10:34] <clumsyraine> and julie, we looked at that last year if its what i think it is... there was a service they chose to do, one that wasnt instructed in the bible anywhere that i know of, where they remembered something like.. i dunno, maybe when moses got water from the rock, and they did a ceremony of like pouring water over a rock and then drinking what was left or something like that....
[10:40] <clumsyraine> jello13091: Before entering upon this solemn service, held on the second day after the close of the Feast of Tabernacles, they separated themselves from the heathen among them. {PK 665.3}
[10:40] <clumsyraine> jello13091: what solemn service on the second day after?
[10:40] <clumsyraine> iwillgonow: i ran across that a bit ago, but didnt figureout what she was talking about
[10:40] <clumsyraine> jello13091: it seems like the Dof A but that ouldnt make sense in time order
[10:41] <clumsyraine> iwillgonow: yeah, thats what i thought too
[10:41] <clumsyraine> jello13091: The priest had that morning performed the imposing ceremony which represented the smiting of the rock in the wilderness and the issuing therefrom of the water. That rock was a figure of Christ. His words were the water of life. As Jesus spoke thus to the people, their hearts thrilled with a strange awe, and many were ready to exclaim, with the woman of Samaria, "Give me of this water, that I thirst not." {2SP 346.1}
[10:41] <clumsyraine> jello13091: ?
[10:41] <clumsyraine> iwillgonow: if you don't have access to the green branches, then there's no way you can do that.so you make due with what you have
[10:41] <clumsyraine> jello13091: Hollow pomp, riches and honor, cannot satisfy the heart.
[10:41] <clumsyraine> iwillgonow: Then the priest dipped from the flowing waters of the Kedron a flagon of water, and, lifting it on high, while the trumpets were sounding, he ascended the broad steps of the temple, keeping time with the music with slow and measured tread, chanting meanwhile: "Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem!" {2SP 344.1}
[10:41] <clumsyraine> He bore the flagon to the altar which occupied a central position in the temple court. Here were two silver basins, with a priest standing at each one. The flagon of water was poured into one basin, and a flagon of wine into the other; and the contents of both flowed into a pipe which communicated with the Kedron, and was conducted to the Dead Sea. This display of the consecrated
[10:41] <clumsyraine> 345
[10:41] <clumsyraine> iwillgonow: water represented the fountain that flowed from the rock to refresh the Hebrews in the wilderness.
[10:41] <clumsyraine> its in our feast of tabernacles study page
[10:43] <clumsyraine> jello13091: When this festival was past, one day only having intervened, the children of Israel kept a solemn fast.
[10:43] <clumsyraine> jello13091: what is she talking about?!
[10:43] <clumsyraine> jello13091: September 23, 1897 At the Feast of Tabernacles.
[10:43] <clumsyraine> iwillgonow: paste more of it
[10:43] <clumsyraine> jello13091: When this festival was past, one day only having intervened, the children of Israel kept a solemn fast. This was held not merely at the command of the rulers, but by the desire of the people. As they had from day to day listened to the words of the law, they had been deeply convicted of their own transgressions, and also of the sins of their nation in past generations. They saw that it was because of their departure from God that his protecting care had been withdrawn from them, and they had been scattered in foreign lands. And they now determined to seek God's mercy, and to pledge themselves to walk hereafter in his commandments.
[10:43] <clumsyraine> iwillgonow: o.. it was just their decision to fast that day
[10:43] <clumsyraine> jello13091: weird
[10:43] <clumsyraine> iwillgonow: commanded by rulers, not god
[10:43] <clumsyraine> jello13091: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:48] * clumsyraine is now known as clumsy^food
[11:33] * clumsy^food is now known as clumsyraine
[11:55] * clumsyraine is away after 22mins 13secs of idleness!
[11:55] * clumsyraine is now known as clumsy^idle
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[12:57] <Jello13091> I thought that was something different that we had talked about
[12:57] * clumsy^idle is back after 1hr 24mins 9secs of idleness!
[12:57] <clumsy^idle> it was from the same pg of pk
[12:57] * clumsy^idle is now known as clumsyraine
[12:59] <Jello13091> uh i thought i read that whole chapte
[12:59] <Jello13091> r
[13:00] <clumsyraine> your question was about the same page
[13:00] <clumsyraine> you found your answer elsewhere
[13:05] <Jello13091> At the time of the feast of trumpets, when many were gathered at the holy city, the people assembled in the street that was before the water gate; "and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded to Israel. And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month. And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday." "And the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law."
[13:05] <Jello13091> it makes it sound like we're suposed to read the law
[13:05] <Jello13091> but, everytime she mentions this with Ezra it talks about how the city was in ruins and i think she ties that into why they read the law
[13:13] <clumsyraine> i was thinking there actually was a command to read the law once a year or something, or once a generation, i dont remember, but i cant find it
[13:14] <Jello13091> day of atonement, along with atoning and stuff?
[13:17] <clumsyraine> The writings of Moses were taught by Joshua to all Israel. "There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them." Joshua 8:35. This was in harmony with the express command of Jehovah providing for a public rehearsal of the words of the book of the law every seven years, during the Feast of Tabernacles.
[13:18] <clumsyraine> "Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates," the spiritual leaders of Israel had been instructed. "that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Lord your God, and observe to do all the words of this law: and that their children, which have not known anything, may hear, and learn to fear the Lord your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it." Deuteronomy 31:12, 13. {PK 465.1}
[13:18] <clumsyraine> Deut:31:10: And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of [every] seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,
[13:18] <clumsyraine> Deut:31:11: When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
[13:18] <clumsyraine> Deut:31:12: Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that [is] within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:
[13:18] <clumsyraine> Deut:31:13: And [that] their children, which have not known [any thing], may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
[13:20] <Jello13091> ok 1) how to we know that we still do that today, and 2) how do we know when the 7th year is?
[13:21] <clumsyraine> 1) er.... and 2) we've mentioned it before, and i dont think we ever figured out how we would know
[13:21] <clumsyraine> it goes along w/ the sabbatical and jubilee years
[13:22] <Jello13091> yeah but when is that?
[13:22] <clumsyraine> every 7th and 50th years, we dont know when
[13:23] <Jello13091> you think it would tie into all the sabbaths being on top of other sabbaths like this year?
[13:23] <clumsyraine> er... good question, but i still have no idea
[13:24] <Vicerant> If we don't know when it started, now we could remember the significance of this "once in seven years" overlapping, and do it now.
[13:25] <clumsyraine> we dont know that it's going to overlap once in seven years
[13:25] <Jello13091> yeah it could do it again in two years or something
[13:25] <Vicerant> The day the feasts are on rotate throughout the seven day week.
[13:26] <clumsyraine> last fall, all the feasts fell on monday, jacob
[13:26] <clumsyraine> this year theyre on saturday
[13:27] <Vicerant> I guess it doesn't go in order given how we chop the years/months up to fit them in their seasons.
[13:27] <Jello13091> yeah and lord's supper last year was on a wednesday
[13:28] <Jello13091> and it's on monday this year
[13:28] <clumsyraine> same w/ DoA
[13:28] <Jello13091> the only that remains in any type of constant order is pentecost by being on sunday
[13:28] <clumsyraine> yeah, because pentecost has to be on sunday
