04/13/01

04/13/01

06/03/01

06/09/01

jello13091: Can we ever really hate anything, if God created everything? Wouldn't we then be hating God if we hated one of His creations?
iwillgonow: God says love your enemies and do good to those who despise you.
jello13091: What about something inanimate?
iwillgonow: Inanimate nature "knew" when Jesus died, and responded.
iwillgonow: That sentence and turn of events made me ponder if it was saying that non-living material actually has some sort of or kind or fashion of "being."
jello13091: So we must hate nothing.
psycho314t: i remember reading that..
iwillgonow: But it was only speaking in a type of personification, if you know logically that rocks are not alive.
iwillgonow: Nor the sun.
psycho314t: oh.. actually, that reminds me of another question
psycho314t: how much do you think animals actually know about God?
iwillgonow: I'd say nothing.
iwillgonow: Same with non-living materials.
iwillgonow: And just the same for both.........
iwillgonow: WHEN GOD CALLS, THEY WILL BOTH ANSWER TO HIS AUTHORITY.
iwillgonow: But they are without knowing Him.
psycho314t: i read something the other day about mt sinai, i think, that God sanctified it and said that any one that touched it, man or animal, would die... He wouldnt kill an ignorant animal, would He?
jello13091: How can they answer?
iwillgonow: Yes He would.
iwillgonow: He said touch and die.
iwillgonow: Period.
jello13091: In order to make it fair.
iwillgonow: Keep the animals away.
iwillgonow: Build a thingy to keep everything away.
jello13091: A thingy?
iwillgonow: I don't remember what it was exactly.
psycho314t: hmm.. yeah, i think moses was told to put a fence or something around it
iwillgonow: Would God kill people or animals before He said don't touch it or die? NO, that'd be unfair. Once the warning was given and instructions on how to protect everything was told, then ANYTHING TOUCH, ANYTHING DIE.
jello13091: Then it was fair.

psycho314t: It was not his privilege to be with Christ and witness the manifestation of divine power attending the greater light. It was not for him to see the blind restored to sight, the sick healed, and the dead raised to life. He did not behold the light that shone through every word of Christ, shedding glory upon the promises of prophecy. The least disciple who saw Christ's mighty works and heard His words was in this sense more highly privileged than John the Baptist, and therefore is said to have been greater than he.
iwillgonow: That was his lot, his "destiny," his role, to be the forerunner of Jesus' ministry. He had to come before Jesus, and go before Jesus, to fulfill prophecy.
jello13091: We were talking just a little about the sermon on the Mount and if it talked about Jesus's second coming.
psycho314t: oh.. ok
iwillgonow: Just as Moses was "destined," you could say, since God knew before time began that he would, to sin just once and lose the privilege of going into the promised land.
jello13091: The death of Jesus on the cross parallels with His second coming, right? Like the atomsphere (weather) will change...darkness will come...disasters...?
iwillgonow: So that he would be a type of those who would have to see death before they could go into the final promised land.
iwillgonow: Yes.
jello13091: did Moses know that if he sinned once he would not get to enter?
iwillgonow: I don't know.
iwillgonow: But God said he couldn't go in.
iwillgonow: Then he knew for sure.
jello13091: Yeah.
psycho314t: destined.. that reminds me of a very long argument we had in my english class
iwillgonow: Your english teacher and that lady?
psycho314t: , since God knew before time began..... meaning that God knows the future, but does God cause the future? no, that was the brave new world debate
psycho314t: we had half the class saying that God dictates every move we make and that there is no free will b/c of that... and the rest of us thought that God gave us free will, but just had the power to know what we would choose
jello13091: Ah, the free will debate.
jello13091: God knows what we will choose/
jello13091: .
iwillgonow: God will NOT force us to choose Him, neither will He force Himself upon us, but He will "knock," and if we open the door, if WE decide to open the door, He will come in.
psycho314t: and yeah, that was basically where the argument started.. does He know because He made us choose, or because He's all-knowing... the latter is what i think
psycho314t: ah.. i remember that verse
iwillgonow: SATAN CANNOT force us to sin, which is fair cause God will not force us to obey. Satan can only lead us to temptation, but we must accept it because we cannot be made to sin, we must choose it willingly.
iwillgonow: The choice is clearly ours.
iwillgonow: What comes to us is Satan and God.
iwillgonow: We must choose.
iwillgonow: Neither can force.
iwillgonow: But you cannot be neutral.
iwillgonow: You choose even when you don't.
iwillgonow: By not choosing, you've chosen one way or the other.
psycho314t: by not choosing God, you're automatically with satan, right?
iwillgonow: To explain what I just said, If you choose to do nothing when someone is dying right in front of you and could be helped by you, then you have chosen something by chosing nothing; you've chosen to kill that person.
jello13091: That makes sense.
iwillgonow: There is no neutral.
psycho314t: right
iwillgonow: Sin or no sin. Good or evil. Life or death...there is no in between.
iwillgonow: Which is how people who "tried to live a good life and be a good person" will be burned, because they, by choosing nothing, choose to not do what God commanded, ALL that He commanded, so they are evil and in their choice of sin.
psycho314t: yeah...
iwillgonow: Those who just want to live and not do right or wrong, will burn.
jello13091: That's good incentive to do good.....do good or burn!
iwillgonow: By making no choice of side you choose to not obey your Creator, who says do good or you do evil.
iwillgonow: It's a sin to just want to live.
iwillgonow: It's selfish.
iwillgonow: Jesus lived for others.
iwillgonow: Never for Himself.
iwillgonow: In Heaven our pleasure will be doing good for others, which is the image of God; not selfish.
iwillgonow: And God's pleasure will be doing everything for us, not Himself.
jello13091: Are the beings on other planets who are watching us, still being tempted to do evil now, even after they have turned down Satan's ways many times?
iwillgonow: The tree of the knowledge of good and evil on their planet still remains, but after Jesus' death at the hands of Satan's government, none would surely ever choose Satan over God, because as was said, that was the final straw, that showed how wrong and evil Satan and sin were, and took away Satan's veil of deception, always claiming to be acting for the good of the universe, for fairness and what's best, even better than God's way.
jello13091: Ok.
iwillgonow: She says Satan was shown to be what he really was.
iwillgonow: When he killed Jesus.
iwillgonow: And from that point on, the angels who had chosen not to go with Satan were forever sure of their decision, that God was good and Satan a lier.
iwillgonow: So should it be with the watching beings.
jello13091: Ok.

06/15/01

06/23/01

jello13091: what is a tare?
iwillgonow: Vengence is the LORD'S. Any religion that says those who do not believe must be physically punished or even killed to be saved are of Satan.
iwillgonow: Those who do not believe.
iwillgonow: A tare is literally the chaff of wheat, which is worthless.
iwillgonow: Symbolically, it is the non-believers.
jello13091: Oh ok.
iwillgonow: The tares closely resembled the wheat while the blades were green; but when the field was white for the harvest, the worthless weeds bore no likeness to the wheat that bowed under the weight of its full, ripe heads. Sinners who make a pretension of piety mingle for a time with the true followers of Christ, and the semblance of Christianity is calculated to deceive many; but in the harvest of the world there will be no likeness between good and evil. Then those who have joined the church, but who have not joined Christ, will be manifest.
iwillgonow: The tares are permitted to grow among the wheat, to have all the advantage of sun and shower; but in the time of harvest ye shall "return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between hm that serveth God and him that serveth Him not." Mal. 3:18. Christ Himself will decide who are worthy to dwell with the family of heaven. He will judge every man according to his words and his works. Profession is as nothing in the scale. It is character that decides destiny.
iwillgonow: The Saviour does not point forward to a time when all the tares become wheat. The wheat and tares grow together until the harvest, the end of the world. Then the tares are bound in bundles to be burned, and the wheat is gathered into the garner of God. "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father." Then "the Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
iwillgonow: Some believe that all will be saved.
iwillgonow: Clearly, it is not so.
jello13091: That is a good analogy.
iwillgonow: Confusion with the Bible results from people not allowing it to all agree. Instead, they make God a liar, and all men true. They want to accept what sounds good to them, and forsake all that is clearly against it, though the only way is to have both, and both agree.
iwillgonow: Jesus did come to save the world.
iwillgonow: But not all will be saved.
iwillgonow: BECAUSE (HOW THEY AGREE):
jello13091: I understand.
iwillgonow: "I come to the door and knock, and IF ANY MAN COME AND OPEN THE DOOR, I will come in, and sup with him."
jello13091: We were given the chance to be saved again when Jesus came.
iwillgonow: Jesus came to save the world. Jesus will not force Himself on anyone. The entire world will not be saved. This makes everything agree.

07/14/01

07/20/01

07/28/01

jello13091: I was reading "Too Long.." earlier and it said that fish are pagan because one of the gods wore it on his head or something. Does that mean that just like the cross, the fish that represents Jesus as a fisher of men, is also pagan?
iwillgonow: I don't know where the fish symbol came from, do you Jennifer?
psycho314t: the christian fish symbol.. ive heard, but i dont remember
iwillgonow: The one made of a single line, looped and crossed at the ends.
psycho314t: yeah.. i thought it had something to do w/ infinity
psycho314t: since it was sort of like a take-off of the scientific infinity symbol
iwillgonow: Ah.
iwillgonow: Here's what I do regarding symbols Julie: I don't.
iwillgonow: It keeps me out of trouble.
iwillgonow: I know God is not representable in any form.
jello13091: yeah. I was just curious about it though
iwillgonow: Nor can I make one to represent the invisible God.
iwillgonow: To do so or try would be making an idol.
jello13091: since so many people have it on their cars and stuff
iwillgonow: So if you question something as pagan, better safe than sorry.
jello13091: well, I wasn't questioning it to see if i could get one, i was just asking as a general quesiton
psycho314t: just like something i read earlier. giving examples of ppl trying to explain the relationship b/w Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and then she pointing out that all possible examples are imperfect and therefore incorrect and should just be avoided
iwillgonow: Jesus and God are called the Godhead in the Bible.
iwillgonow: The Holy Spirit is never referred to as a God or part of the Godhead.
jello13091: The fish symbol has been used for millennia worldwide as a religious symbol associated with the Pagan Great Mother Goddess. It is the outline of her vulva. The fish symbol was often drawn by overlapping two very thin crescent moons. One represented the crescent shortly before the new moon; the other shortly after, when the moon is just visible. The Moon is the heavenly body that has long been associated with the Goddess, just as the sun is a symbol of the God.
iwillgonow: The Holy Spirit was called "my spirit" by Jesus.
iwillgonow: Where'd you get that Julie?
jello13091: from a website
iwillgonow: I've never heard that before, post link.
jello13091: http://www.aveyinc.com/fish.htm
iwillgonow: "The fish headdress of the priests of Ea [a Sumero-Semitic God] later became the miter of the Christian bishops." (5)
iwillgonow: This is the catholic headpiece on the pope, and this is true.
iwillgonow: Interesting, this has much history to back up it's claim.
jello13091: Then image how many people have pagan symbols, between the cross and the fish, and they either don't know about it or don't care because it's cool to have them.
iwillgonow: I stay away from using or accepting or endorsing any sort of representation to fit a religious purpose for this exact reason; you never know if they're pagan in origin and "good made evil, and evil good," by some past government making a pagan thing a "christian" thing.
iwillgonow: God's invisible and said don't make any images of Me cause you can't do it.
iwillgonow: Jesus does not contradict God, and certainly didn't say to make representations of Him.
jello13091: Yeah
iwillgonow: So that answers that for me.
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: God is to be represented in your CHARACTER, not by a symbol you keep on your car or around your neck.
iwillgonow: The flesh loves jewelry and pretty shiney things.
iwillgonow: Satan uses to his advantage; beware.

08/04/01

08/11/01

08/11/01

iwillgonow: His grace is given to work in us to will and to do, but never as a substitute for our effort.
iwillgonow: God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as coworkers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake" (Phil. 1:29). And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor.
psycho314t: yeah, i read that paragraph earlier. and ive seen that said before.. for some reason, thats a very powerful sentence to me... God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning
iwillgonow: Yeah.
iwillgonow: He knows what you would have chosen to do, had you been able to see the beginning of your service to the end, so He leads you down that path, of course, it being a righteous choice by you in the first place.
iwillgonow: Makes me think.
iwillgonow: Free will.
iwillgonow: Is being under God's will.
iwillgonow: Because only then do you do your own!
iwillgonow: Otherwise Satan uses you, but God simply LEADS you.
iwillgonow: BRILLIANT!
iwillgonow: AMAZING!
iwillgonow: I can't believe it
iwillgonow: !
psycho314t: it is.. totally just and good and fair
iwillgonow: That's free will!
iwillgonow: Years of wondering and there it is!!!!!!!!!!!
iwillgonow: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
iwillgonow: aaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
psycho314t: : )
iwillgonow: I can't believe it.
iwillgonow: You just pop it out?
iwillgonow: I spend my life wondering what free will is and you pop it out/1111111111111111!
psycho314t: hahaha
iwillgonow: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Yahoo! Messenger: jello13091 has joined the conference.
jello13091: Cant stay for more than 5 minutes. Sun already set. Gotta call grandma
iwillgonow: Free will! Julie!
iwillgonow: We know free will!
jello13091: ?
iwillgonow: The mystery is solved!
iwillgonow: Just like that
iwillgonow: !
jello13091: That what yall figured out today
iwillgonow: Understand that under Satan's control you are not free to do as you wish, but more of a slave to passion and his influence.
iwillgonow: But under God's control, SUBMITTING to His will, He actually has you do what YOU would have chosen to do had you the knowledge of the beginning of your service to the end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
iwillgonow: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
iwillgonow: IIIIIII can '
iwillgonow: t believe it!! HAHAHAHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
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iwillgonow: P{o4yj
iwillgonow: W y jp4r'j
iwillgonow: God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as coworkers with Him.
iwillgonow: Years..............
iwillgonow: my whole life
iwillgonow: I've wondered if I have freewill.
iwillgonow: There it is just like that.
iwillgonow: IS THIS JUST A REVELATION TO ME???
iwillgonow: Everybody else knew this or what!!!
psycho314t: hmm
iwillgonow: I never knew this before!
psycho314t: i dont know.. ive seen it said many, many times
psycho314t: that God only leads us to what we would otherwise choose
iwillgonow: But not me.
iwillgonow: I never saw it like now.
iwillgonow: I didn't even see it when I POSTED IT until you said something about it.
psycho314t: lol, i noticed
psycho314t: heh, thats what i didnt get at first. i didnt "pop it out"... i copied it from YOU!
iwillgonow: for some reason, thats a very powerful sentence to me..
iwillgonow: You said for some reason??
iwillgonow: YOu didn't get it either?
iwillgonow: Or did it just puzzle you or what?
psycho314t: it just.. i dunno. it made an impression on me every time i saw it
iwillgonow: BUT DID YOU GET THIS LIKE NOW???
psycho314t: ...
psycho314t: i dont know!#@
iwillgonow: You don't know if you got it or not.
iwillgonow: MAN I did not get it.
iwillgonow: Till just now.
iwillgonow: Absolutely fascinating and enlightening.
psycho314t: no, i dont know if i 'got it' like u got it just now or not.. cuz it didnt have THAT much of an impact...
psycho314t: i mean, it made me realize that God chooses what we would choose if we knew what He knew
iwillgonow: So we are doing what WE WANT TO DO!
psycho314t: but... aaaaaeradfghlkj;sdfLK:J@$
psycho314t: yes
iwillgonow: It's not a submissive no self-will or soul thing
iwillgonow: It's a submitt to God to lead you in the right direction, JUST AS YOU WOULD HAVE CHOSEN HAD YOU THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE BEGINNING OF YOUR SERVICE TO THE END!
iwillgonow: So you're not some slave!!!!!!!!!
iwillgonow: NO Slave!
iwillgonow: Free free free free!
iwillgonow: UY{UJ{$"H$_HU O{Y{w4
psycho314t: YES!
iwillgonow: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ha ha hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
iwillgonow: freeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
iwillgonow: Satan throws away what you would choose and just manipulates you like an ANIMAL by your passions!!!!
iwillgonow: So you're not free will unless you're WITH GOD, instead of without HIm!!!
iwillgonow: UNbelieavable!!! so ironic and backwardds from what people think!!!hahahahahhhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
psycho314t: spiritual things are spiritually discerned
psycho314t: the world cant discern something like that
iwillgonow: I GOTTA STAY AWAY FROM GOD SO I CAN DO WHAT I WANT AND HAVE FREE WILL AND NOT BE A MINDLESS SLAVE
iwillgonow: But in fact they're just being a slave to Satan.
iwillgonow: And God is the ONLY one who will preserve your will.
iwillgonow: iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii neeeeeeeever saaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww it
iwillgonow: Man o man o man o man o man
iwillgonow: What a feeling of freedom.
iwillgonow: No uncertain fearing of being with God and being a souless, mindless, not-independent thinking freewilled entity.
iwillgonow: For Years...
iwillgonow: Such a conflict with God.
iwillgonow: Like thinking of it as "Be with me and be my string doll."
iwillgonow: No.
iwillgonow: Be free.
iwillgonow: Do what you would want to do, had you the knowledge.
iwillgonow: In servitude to Me.
iwillgonow: Preserve your free will.
iwillgonow: YOU GETTING THIS NOW JENNIFER!
psycho314t: yup
iwillgonow: what a relief
iwillgonow: relief
iwillgonow: So much better this way.
iwillgonow: Like it was all along.
iwillgonow: I just didn't know.
iwillgonow: That's amazing.
iwillgonow: What to say.
iwillgonow: An overpowering question in my life answered.

08/18/01

iwillgonow: Who can tell me...
iwillgonow: What the first sin was.
psycho314t: covetting
iwillgonow: Close.
iwillgonow: WAAAAY too long to answer.
jello13091: lie
iwillgonow: Wrong.
jello13091: Satan said thou shalt not die
iwillgonow: Jealousy.
iwillgonow: Satan was the first to be jealous, of Jesus.
psycho314t: bleh. i wrote jealousy, & changed it to coveting.. thats why it took me so long to ansewr
iwillgonow: In Heaven.
psycho314t: answer
iwillgonow: What was the first lie?
jello13091: Satan
iwillgonow: ??
iwillgonow: No.
jello13091: satan lied by saying that God was evil
jello13091: or his ways were not good
iwillgonow: Hm...
iwillgonow: You might have a case there.
iwillgonow: The first lie was "Thou shalt not die."
psycho314t: ... julie said that
iwillgonow: But before then Satan insinuated the truths of God were lies to the angels.
iwillgonow: She said that at wrong time!
jello13091: His first lie in heaven was that good was not good, and that is how he got angels onhis side. The first lie on earth was that they would not die
jello13091: That God was not good
iwillgonow: Where is Heaven?
psycho314t: thru middle star in orions belt
jello13091: Which one?
iwillgonow: HEAVEN Julie.
iwillgonow: Jennifer is right.
iwillgonow: It's through the constellation Orion.
iwillgonow: What lines the bottom of Jesus' priestly garments He wears at this very moment?
jello13091: bells and pmoiergrantes
iwillgonow: Excellent.
jello13091: however you spell it
iwillgonow: A bell and a pomegranite, rotating all the way around.
iwillgonow: Which is the same as who?
jello13091: earhtly preist?
iwillgonow: Yup.
jello13091: sorry about my spelling
iwillgonow: Name everthing that you can that the color WHITE symbolizes/represents.
iwillgonow: Go!
psycho314t: purity
psycho314t: life
psycho314t: angels
psycho314t: light
iwillgonow: GOOOO!
jello13091: good
jello13091: Clean
jello13091: perfection
jello13091: love
jello13091: honesty
jello13091: glory
iwillgonow: wisdom
jello13091: truth
jello13091: knowledge
jello13091: godliness
iwillgonow: Not bad.
psycho314t: God, Jesus, saints
iwillgonow: What is Satan's motto?
psycho314t: if i'm going down, i'm taking as many people as i can with me
jello13091: Sincew i'm gonna die soon anyway, i may as well bring as many people down with me
iwillgonow: Bingo.
psycho314t: and i'm going to get something to eat, brb
jello13091: k
iwillgonow: What is love, theorectically and otherwise?
jello13091: Love is pure
jello13091: I don't get the question really
iwillgonow: You fail.
jello13091: I dont get the question
iwillgonow: Because you have been taught what love is.
iwillgonow: You know the answer to the question.
iwillgonow: So you are held accountable for that knowledge.
iwillgonow: Love is what?
iwillgonow: A ______________
jello13091: gift
iwillgonow: de
iwillgonow: c
jello13091: delight
jello13091: decision
jello13091: choice
iwillgonow: Yes.
iwillgonow: Is it an emotion?
iwillgonow: Like infatuation?
iwillgonow: WHAT DID YOU JUST READ YESTERDAY JULIE?
iwillgonow: Love is ______
jello13091: perfect
iwillgonow: Love is a not a matter of emotion, like infatuation, but rather is a constant ____
jello13091: choice
psycho314t: responsibility?
iwillgonow: What was the exact word?
psycho314t: brb again
jello13091: decision
iwillgonow: Quote me the section on love I'm looking for from what you read last night.
iwillgonow: The deffining deffinition.
jello13091: im looking, give me a sec.
psycho314t: what did julie read last night?
jello13091: True love is not a strong, fiery, impetuous passion. On the contrary, it is calm and deep in its nature. It looks beyond mere externals and is attracted by qualities alone. It is wise and discriminating, and its devotion is real and abiding. {LYL 30.1}
Love is a precious gift, which we receive from Jesus. Pure and holy affection is not a feeling, but a principle. Those who are actuated by true love are neither unreasonable nor blind. {LYL 30.2}
jello13091: Mildness, gentleness, forbearance, long-suffering, being not easily provoked, bearing all things, hoping all things, enduring all things--these are the fruit growing upon the precious tree of love, which is of heavenly growth. This tree, if nourished, will prove to be an evergreen. Its branches will not decay, its leaves will not wither. It is immortal, eternal watered continually by the dews of heaven. {LYL 30.3}
jello13091: Love is of God. The unconverted heart cannot originate nor produce this plant of heavenly growth, which lives and flourishes only where Christ reigns.... {LYL 32.2}
iwillgonow: Love is not a feeling, but a _____.
psycho314t: principle
iwillgonow: Exactly.
iwillgonow: That is what I was looking for.
iwillgonow: Love is no emotion, making unreasonable or hot headed or absurd.
iwillgonow: It's a principle to live your life by, like honesty.
iwillgonow: The greatest principle, of course.
jello13091: yeah
iwillgonow: People who practice love as a feeling do what?
psycho314t: grow tired of it
iwillgonow: Say "I don't love you anymore," as if it was a brief stint of anger or passion.
psycho314t: forget about it
jello13091: when the other person doesnt make them happy, they dont love them anymore
iwillgonow: They say "I don't feel the same way about you anymore," as if love changes.
jello13091: because they hurt or something
iwillgonow: People who practice love as a feeling:
iwillgonow: have "crushes"
iwillgonow: What else?
jello13091: have many many boyfriends
jello13091: /girlfriends
jello13091: are fornicators
jello13091: have emotional "problems"
iwillgonow: They seek that "feeling" like a person addicted to a drug.
iwillgonow: Like needing to get high.
jello13091: they get mad alot when attention isnt put on to them
iwillgonow: Without the "feeling," they're down.
iwillgonow: Real love is a contrast of that how?
psycho314t: you're never without it
iwillgonow: It's the same care, the same affection, the same DECISION, all the time.
psycho314t: always at peace
iwillgonow: No matter what.
iwillgonow: Good,
iwillgonow: bad,
iwillgonow: happy,
iwillgonow: sad,
iwillgonow: up
iwillgonow: down
iwillgonow: here
iwillgonow: there
iwillgonow: Love.
iwillgonow: Because it's not a feeling.
iwillgonow: Feelings come and go like the wind.
iwillgonow: Love never ch......?
psycho314t: anges
psycho314t: changes
iwillgonow: That's why God loves everyone still, the same way He did 6000 years ago when He made them, and will love them till their gone, the exact same way.
jello13091: Love is always there
jello13091: He doesnt hate them when they sin casue He chooses to love them
jello13091: through thick and thin
iwillgonow: But even though He loves you when you sin...
iwillgonow: He doesn't love the sin.
jello13091: yeah
iwillgonow: God does not love sin.
iwillgonow: God does not love death.
jello13091: i know
iwillgonow: Anger.
iwillgonow: Hatred.
iwillgonow: Violence.
iwillgonow: Greed.
iwillgonow: Adultery.
iwillgonow: Lies.
iwillgonow: Murder.
psycho314t: but He loves justice
iwillgonow: And peace.
iwillgonow: And knowledge.
jello13091: He loves helping, giving people good thing
iwillgonow: Happiness.
iwillgonow: Safety.
iwillgonow: Satisfaction.
iwillgonow: Hope.
iwillgonow: Joy.
iwillgonow: Kindness.
iwillgonow: Patience.
jello13091: love
iwillgonow: And love is something we'll never fully understand.
jello13091: because we are human and we sin
iwillgonow: Because we'll never be able to completely fathom how God could love us so much, that He gave His perfect Son over to the earth for us.
iwillgonow: Because that's Godly.
iwillgonow: That's beyond humanly.
jello13091: yeah
iwillgonow: And it makes sense: If you love someone no matter what, then why would you not give your perfect Son to them, regardless of their decision to be away from you? That's living by the principle of love, not the feeling, because I'm sure it didn't make God HAPPY when Adam and Eve sinned, but He still, ever and always, lives by His principle of love, no matter what.
jello13091: Could you imagine is love was a feeling for God?!
iwillgonow: Living love as a principle is giving when it's not deserved.
iwillgonow: Not when you "feel" like it.
iwillgonow: Love is not a feeling.
iwillgonow: As a matter of fact,
iwillgonow: God is love,
iwillgonow: And He lives by the principle of love,
iwillgonow: So God...lives by Himself.
iwillgonow: God obeys Himself.
iwillgonow: He's held accountable to Himself.
iwillgonow: He's responsible to Himself.
iwillgonow: That's how it is when you're the top.
iwillgonow: You are under yourself.
iwillgonow: And answer to yourself.
psycho314t: yeah..
iwillgonow: You make the rules that govern you.
psycho314t: and if you want others to obey them and love them, you have to hold fast to them yourself
jello13091: back
iwillgonow: Your rules...are you.
iwillgonow: Since you made them.
jello13091: yeah
iwillgonow: And they are the rules of existence.
jello13091: if you made rules but did not keep them, why would others?
iwillgonow: God does not do murder.
iwillgonow: He does not love it.
iwillgonow: Neither shall anyone else love or do it in His existence.
iwillgonow: And that's what the rule maker says.
iwillgonow: God wants everybody to be like Him, and why not? It's the best way to be.
jello13091: yeah
iwillgonow: Because He knows all the options.
iwillgonow: He made em.
iwillgonow: And His way is best.
iwillgonow: People don't think about God enough.
jello13091: Some don't even think about Him at all
jello13091: Most
iwillgonow: God knows everything....because He made everything there is to know.
iwillgonow: And there's nothing else.
iwillgonow: God is everywhere....why?
jello13091: Because He made it all
jello13091: He made everything in everywhere
iwillgonow: Because if He is not there, it is not sustained, and ceases to be.
iwillgonow: The state of existence is a never ending continual refreshing from God, and if for any amount of time He draws this state away, whatever it is ceases to exist.
iwillgonow: So obviously, He HAS TO BE THERE.
iwillgonow: Or you are NOT anymore.
iwillgonow: Do you understand Jennifer?
iwillgonow: Are we self-sustaining and continuing? Is this what you've learned and been taught?
iwillgonow: Or has Egw said differently, with Biblical sense?
psycho314t: oh, wha..? lemme catch up
iwillgonow: LIFE is not self-replicating.
iwillgonow: It must be fed always.
iwillgonow: Like a car with a continual feeding of gasoline.
iwillgonow: The very INSTANT,,
iwillgonow: THERE IS NO CONTINUAL FEEDING OF GAS,
jello13091: the gas runs out, it stops
iwillgonow: THERE IS NO MORE CAR WORKING.
iwillgonow: Life is gas.
iwillgonow: We are the car.
jello13091: When the life runs out, we are no longer
jello13091: We stop, we dont run, we die, we cease
iwillgonow: So we see it simply, that without God giving life/existence every single second, we or whatever it is ceases to be.
psycho314t: yup i understand all that
iwillgonow: God is everywhere...why?
jello13091: because He created everything in everywhere
psycho314t: b/c if He wasnt, nothing would exist
iwillgonow: Because if He was not everywhere, everywhere would not be.
jello13091: yeah
iwillgonow: So we know why He's all knowing, and we know why He's everywhere...
iwillgonow: What else?
iwillgonow: Comon people.
jello13091: we know He loves everything and He chooses that and just doesnt feel it
iwillgonow: Now we need to know why He's...
iwillgonow: All knowing, all present, all ____
iwillgonow: The great 3.
jello13091: all loving
iwillgonow: Omnipresent, and what?
iwillgonow: JENNIFER!
jello13091: all understanding, all living
jello13091: all lifegiving
iwillgonow: Where is Jennifer?
jello13091: dont know
psycho314t: jennifer is talking to someone else
iwillgonow: Who dat?
psycho314t: a couple guys u dont know
jello13091: uh huh
psycho314t: trying to explain why weed is just as bad as alkohol
psycho314t: "alcohol is the mother of all sins, but theres no mention of weed!"
iwillgonow: Omnipotent, a combination of all-knowing and ALL-POWERFUL.
psycho314t: yeah.. and?
iwillgonow: That's the last of the three.
jello13091: ok
iwillgonow: So...why is He all powerful?
jello13091: because He created and is in control of everything
jello13091: and He is all knowing
jello13091: and He lives by His rules
psycho314t: yeah.. He is the author of all things, so He is in power over all things
iwillgonow: He made power; there is no power made that He did not make, and therefore have.
iwillgonow: That's why.
iwillgonow: If you make it, do you not know it?
jello13091: that would be twisted
iwillgonow: He made power, so it is all His and He knows it all. There is no power He did not make, and therefore does not have or know.
iwillgonow: Same for being present.
iwillgonow: And knowing.
jello13091: We know

psycho314t: some guys i know think theyve come up w/ this totally ingenious question that will stop any christian in their tracks and make them realize that the bible is fake... but the question is so.. poorly worded that i never understand it enough to come up w/ a very good answer
jello13091: what is the poor question?
psycho314t: i'm gonna hafta find it in the logs, cuz i cant remember how they put it
psycho314t: ok, i can't find it... but it was something like.. hmm.. like, "if God is all powerful, He should be able to create a rock that no one can lift, not even himself... but if He cant lift it, then He's not all powerful, is He?..." i dont know, i think the concept of "allpowerful" escapes them
jello13091: why would He create somehting He couldnt lift??? That's impossible and we just kinda talked about it earlier
psycho314t: yeah, i know... i guess they refuse to see simple logic tho, b/c that question to them proves that God isnt all powerful
psycho314t: no matter what i try to say
jello13091: yuck.....firm disbelievers
jello13091: unbelievers
psycho314t: “if God is almighty, then can he make a stone so big he cant lift it? and if so, then he isnt almighty, cuz he then made something he cant lift... catch the drift?”jello13091: Sincew i'm gonna die soon anyway, i may as well bring as many people down with me
^^ there it is.
iwillgonow: People say if God is perfect, why did He allow sin?
iwillgonow: Answered that question.
iwillgonow: God can make limits He can't break, then He can break those unbreakable limits...that's being all powerful.
psycho314t: yeah
iwillgonow: God wouldn't be all powerful if He could NOT limit Himself and limit Himself, at the same time.
iwillgonow: He can do the undoable.
iwillgonow: Like kill Himself and bring Himself back to life.
iwillgonow: What human can explain that?
psycho314t: exactly what i was about to say. ppl try to think of God in terms of human abilities
psycho314t: which doesnt work
iwillgonow: Try to get a baby to understand the concept of death. Impossible.
iwillgonow: Try to get a human to understand the concept of being able to do anything and nothing at the SAME TIME, impossible.
iwillgonow: He could kill Himself so He couldn't raise Himself back up, then raise Himself back up and make Himself unable to be killed, then kill Himself.
iwillgonow: No limit.
psycho314t: yeah.. like trying to understand the concept of being everywhere at the same time
iwillgonow: Our FAITH in God is that He does NOT do everything, but only what He says He'll do. Otherwise it's like He doesn't keep His promises, and will do whatever He wants to, and we are helpless to stop Him.
psycho314t: right. but in knowing that He could do anything and everything, even if He doesnt
iwillgonow: But instead we do what He told us to and that's BELIEVE that He's gonna be and do what He said He would, and stick to it and be faithful to it.
iwillgonow: People who don't trust God are afraid of what He "can" do.
iwillgonow: That's not obedience, that's not having faith He's true to what He promised He'll do.
psycho314t: a good example of that is people who fear another flood like in noah's time... despite the promise that it wouldnt ever happen again
iwillgonow: Man, if I didn't believe God would stick to what He said, then my existence would be a constant nightmare, living in fear of Him suddenly doing WHATEVER and where will I go? How will I end up? I'm helpless, at His mercy.
iwillgonow: Just cause God can do anything doesn't mean He will.
iwillgonow: He'll do only what He says He'll do.
psycho314t: yup..
iwillgonow: That's Him doing what He wants to do.
jello13091: back
psycho314t: wb
iwillgonow: This stuff is hard to fathom, but I know that God doesn't do everything, cause He said so. He said He doesn't murder, steal, etc etc etc, everything He asks us to do, so therefore He's "limited" Himself to only what He chooses should be done. The rest is evil and outside of His will...see can you imagine that? God did not CREATE sin, but allows it to exist in His creation, even though it CAME FROM a being He created, He is not responsible for it nor the author of it. This stuff is really hard to fathom.
jello13091: that is hard to fathon
jello13091: m
psycho314t: yeah, it is
iwillgonow: But we know we got only human, corrupted, not fully utilizable brains that have degenerated over thousands of years into becoming very limited in its capabilities.
jello13091: Yes, instead of evolving into much smarter beings......we have been getting worse
iwillgonow: So perhaps the FACT as God has shown us that He is not responsible for sin, He did not create sin, and He does not give sin, is only understandable with a higher mental capacity than the one we have now.
iwillgonow: It's a real world fact that people who try to explain and put into their own perspective and understanding something that's way outside their knowledge base only look unintelligent and don't come to a correct understanding of something that's BEYOND their comprehension, due to their background.
iwillgonow: Like a computer illiterate person trying to explain something like a BIOS when they don't know what a BIOS is past that it's in a computer.
jello13091: uh ok
iwillgonow: They just explain it like they can, and that's not gonna be right, of course.
iwillgonow: How can somebody who knows NOTHING about God, like a heathen boy, explain GOD TO YOU???????????????
iwillgonow: See my example above, the answer is no.
jello13091: They can't!
iwillgonow: Well